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a letter to the woman who called me a terf

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carrotandcornsoup · 10/12/2017 07:01

To the woman who shrieked at me that I am a bigot and a terf and a hateful transphobe for defending women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and you're referred to throughout your pregnancy as a birthing individual, a pregnant person, and it makes you feel kind of dehumanised and you wish they'd just call you a woman, a mother, because that's what you are. But they're not allowed, because it's illegal to say only women can be pregnant and give birth.

Remember me when you give birth and you feel vulnerable and exposed and you really want a woman beside you who understands what you're going through and instead your midwife is a six foot man with stubble in a dress and you know he isn't a woman but you're not allowed to object, even when you need to be examined and you just want a woman to do it but you know you can't say anything because that would be hate speech, even though your body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who has lost her mind to dementia, goes into a care home and is told that her carer, Susan, is a woman, because you asked that she only be cared for by women. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that Susan is a man, and you know Susan is a man, but you cannot object, and she has to allow Susan to perform her intimate care, because to object would be hate speech.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because Lucas in her class, one of the fastest boys, has decided he identifies as female for now and so is allowed to run in her race, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, he will always beat her, and she can only ever hope for a silver medal now. Or bronze, if there is another Lucas.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's noone else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because if you do he'll say he's a woman and has as much right as you do to be in this toilet, a place where many years ago you might have come to feel safe.

Remember me when you go for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. You've put in the hours, you've worked so hard, you know you deserve it. And the position goes to Lola, who until last year was a 50 year old man. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have babies, or to deal with any health issues that you, a woman might face, like endometriosis, breast cancer, PND. Lola is a woman just like you, and your company are happy that they have fulfilled their quota of women members on the board.

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for women committing rape and murder are on the increase, and now women carry out a much higher number of rapes and murders than they did when you were a teenager or a young woman. And you know that these 'women' are men and that the statistics are wrong, but to challenge this would be hate speech. Remember me too, when these women rapists are locked up with vulnerable women in female prisons and cannot escape, because to challenge the presence of the women rapists with penises in prison with them would be hate speech.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas and that his teacher said that because he likes playing with girls and dolls that maybe he is really a girl in the wrong body. And you think, no, you are just my wonderful, unique, son, and you were born in your own body. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that you are not validating your son's identity and that she's noticed you are still referring to him by the name you so carefully chose for him when he was born, and calling him a boy, when he is actually a girl, and that she doesn't want to have to involve social services but she's worried she might have to if you continue to misgender your son and deny his real identity. And you know that she will, because it's happened before in a school near you, and you are afraid.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transactivist friends, your lefty male allies, the ones you stood beside and yellled 'terf, transphobe, bigot' with, with you shouting the loudest, because you wanted to show what a good ally you were, how inclusive, how progressive. Where are they now? Why, they are where they always were. Benefitting from the patriarchy. Enjoying the new, improved version of it that you helped them to build by crushing the resistance from the women who spoke up for their rights. This has all cost them nothing; it has made the world a better, easier place for men. It has cost you and your sisters who campaigned with them for virtue cookies, everything.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for your rights. Fighting to undo the damage.

I'll have your back, as I always have done.

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AllStar14 · 10/12/2017 08:07

I wish I could share this. This needs to be seen

AdalindSchade · 10/12/2017 08:08

Brilliant letter. Thank you.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2017 08:09

Nuffaluff I've been trying to follow but it's hard to know where to post things atm are the subject is so overarching and across many threads.

FedUpWithBriiiiiick · 10/12/2017 08:11

👏👏👏

Brilliant post, carrot. You've hit the nail firmly on the head.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 10/12/2017 08:11

I also don’t have an issue being examined by male doctors but certain things I want to see a woman for. When it comes to birth control, menstruation, menopause I want to talk to a woman not a man performing femininity. That is and should remain my right.

C0untDucku1a · 10/12/2017 08:11

Comig back to this later

BanyanChristmasTree · 10/12/2017 08:14

I bet if you look at the support network of people who are transitioning it will be mostly women who are supporting and encouraging them. It will be mothers, sisters, grannies, aunts and friends. I doubt many male relatives will support it. That's what gets my back up the most about this. We are the ones who then have our rights eroded.

I was watching a program the other day about a teenager who was gay who wanted to be a drag queen. I know this is not the same subject. I was really rooting for this boy. His mum, has women neighbours and his female friends were supporting him at their own emotional and financial expense. I was really happy for him and felt bad as his dad rejected him and there were people at his school who were bullying him (boys I assume). Unfortunately he then lost my support when he said "I just want to go to the prom and all the girls to turn around and look at me and be dead jealous". I just got really angry. He had all these women around him helping him and his goal was to make them feel inferior about their looks.

With our tolerance and support we are actually enabling this transmania.

clumsyduck · 10/12/2017 08:14

Well done op very well written and spot on !

WinnerWinnerChickenDinner0 · 10/12/2017 08:16

Thank you. So beautifully written.
I’m keeping this bookmarked for the future

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 08:18

Send it to Ed Milliband - he's jumped on the bandwagon on this.

Tanith · 10/12/2017 08:20

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Stormwhale · 10/12/2017 08:23

Bloody good post op. I'm frightened about the future for my daughter. I want to get involved in this fight but I don't really know how.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2017 08:24

I bet if you look at the support network of people who are transitioning it will be mostly women who are supporting and encouraging them. It will be mothers, sisters, grannies, aunts and friends.

You mean those already conditioned to put others before themselves and to wrap up and suppress their own fears, concerns and best interests as they are unimportant and secondary to the 'best interests' of some else?

Oh yes a million times. They attack others for not supporting their loved ones out of fear too though and I think it important to recognise this. When you see it done, call it out. Remind people. Emotional abuse is a feature of the whole thing where you are not fear to form a decision without duress.

Who is allowed to fear and why are they allowed to fear? And by whom? You need permission for your fear.

GrandmadamGlitch · 10/12/2017 08:25

This should have a much wider audience.

Nakedavenger74 · 10/12/2017 08:31

Bravo OP. Amazing

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 08:36

What gets me is the idea that if you are in any way uncomfortable about losing your hard fought for safe space (physical or emotional), you are some kind of Trump supporting throwback Stepford wife.
That is partly where the anger comes from against your voice.

katand2kits · 10/12/2017 08:37

This is so good. Everyone who thinks that all this trans stuff is about equality should read it. Thank you for writing this, if love to see it on twitter.

SunshineClouds · 10/12/2017 08:38

Believe me, some of it has already started.

Hellothereitsme · 10/12/2017 08:44

Those posters that think women are wrong to want to chose to have a born women intimately examine them or take a smear -why do you think this? Women have caught for the right to make those choices, to get the top jobs, to have maternity rights, to be cared by a born woman when doubly incintinent.

If you make gender more important than sex in law.....which is what is going to happen - sex will be erased and replaced by gender then we born women will lose all of those rights. We will be at risk of not being treated, belittled, crucified just because we want a born women to clean us up in the care home.

Pepvixen · 10/12/2017 08:48

So well written and frightening. I couldn't agree with OP more. Those saying they don't mind - well good for you, but how dare you throw a woman who doesn't want a male doing intimate care under the bus. Did you miss #metoo?

carrotandcornsoup · 10/12/2017 08:53

Thanks all, yes please feel free to share. My initials are CR if you want to put someone’s name at the end.

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HemlockSpartacus · 10/12/2017 08:55

Personally I'm usually ok with male doctors doing intimate examinations, but that's the thing, that's my personal choice. I can't imagine being to arrogant to think that all women should feel the same.

I'm aware that actually I'm fairly unusual in being comfortable with this, most women I've spoken to aren't. We're taught so much shame in our bodies, it's not surprising.

Plus remember women in cultures who would not be allowed to have a man look at them there, better for them to not have smear tests etc? Really? You'd prioritise mens feelings over someone's health?

I know that there are health issues I feel more comfortable discussing with women than men - because I know they'd be likely to have experience of it themselves. So in that a trans doctor would be no use at all.

Powerofattorney · 10/12/2017 09:08

What about the chemical neutering of our children?
Your letter is brilliant, but sadly, i don’t think it went far enough!

HermioneWeasley · 10/12/2017 09:10

These young women have no idea of what they are throwing away with both hands.

CisCucumber · 10/12/2017 09:13

Statistics will become meaningless
I can see a time when cash strapped services no longer screen for cervical cancer because cases of it are dropping
That so many women no longer have a cervix will be ignored

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