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a letter to the woman who called me a terf

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carrotandcornsoup · 10/12/2017 07:01

To the woman who shrieked at me that I am a bigot and a terf and a hateful transphobe for defending women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and you're referred to throughout your pregnancy as a birthing individual, a pregnant person, and it makes you feel kind of dehumanised and you wish they'd just call you a woman, a mother, because that's what you are. But they're not allowed, because it's illegal to say only women can be pregnant and give birth.

Remember me when you give birth and you feel vulnerable and exposed and you really want a woman beside you who understands what you're going through and instead your midwife is a six foot man with stubble in a dress and you know he isn't a woman but you're not allowed to object, even when you need to be examined and you just want a woman to do it but you know you can't say anything because that would be hate speech, even though your body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who has lost her mind to dementia, goes into a care home and is told that her carer, Susan, is a woman, because you asked that she only be cared for by women. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that Susan is a man, and you know Susan is a man, but you cannot object, and she has to allow Susan to perform her intimate care, because to object would be hate speech.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because Lucas in her class, one of the fastest boys, has decided he identifies as female for now and so is allowed to run in her race, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, he will always beat her, and she can only ever hope for a silver medal now. Or bronze, if there is another Lucas.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's noone else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because if you do he'll say he's a woman and has as much right as you do to be in this toilet, a place where many years ago you might have come to feel safe.

Remember me when you go for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. You've put in the hours, you've worked so hard, you know you deserve it. And the position goes to Lola, who until last year was a 50 year old man. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have babies, or to deal with any health issues that you, a woman might face, like endometriosis, breast cancer, PND. Lola is a woman just like you, and your company are happy that they have fulfilled their quota of women members on the board.

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for women committing rape and murder are on the increase, and now women carry out a much higher number of rapes and murders than they did when you were a teenager or a young woman. And you know that these 'women' are men and that the statistics are wrong, but to challenge this would be hate speech. Remember me too, when these women rapists are locked up with vulnerable women in female prisons and cannot escape, because to challenge the presence of the women rapists with penises in prison with them would be hate speech.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas and that his teacher said that because he likes playing with girls and dolls that maybe he is really a girl in the wrong body. And you think, no, you are just my wonderful, unique, son, and you were born in your own body. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that you are not validating your son's identity and that she's noticed you are still referring to him by the name you so carefully chose for him when he was born, and calling him a boy, when he is actually a girl, and that she doesn't want to have to involve social services but she's worried she might have to if you continue to misgender your son and deny his real identity. And you know that she will, because it's happened before in a school near you, and you are afraid.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transactivist friends, your lefty male allies, the ones you stood beside and yellled 'terf, transphobe, bigot' with, with you shouting the loudest, because you wanted to show what a good ally you were, how inclusive, how progressive. Where are they now? Why, they are where they always were. Benefitting from the patriarchy. Enjoying the new, improved version of it that you helped them to build by crushing the resistance from the women who spoke up for their rights. This has all cost them nothing; it has made the world a better, easier place for men. It has cost you and your sisters who campaigned with them for virtue cookies, everything.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for your rights. Fighting to undo the damage.

I'll have your back, as I always have done.

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LEMtheoriginal · 10/12/2017 09:22

Thankyou OP for writing this. I have often questioned your stance on here (not you personally) and defended people's rights to identify as the wish but it's not that simple is it. You have given me real food for thought there.

I do think the biggest issue is teenagers/younger who will be confused as fuck about their changing bodies and hormones and due to this trend will be questioning their gender.

My dd is what I'd describe as a Tom boy - not into make up and "girly" things. I and she never think oh hang on maybe she is a boy. Same as boys who want to wear make up and likes pink fluffy unicorns - that's ok. Doesn't mean they are girls or gay just boys that like pink.

I hate gender stereotypes and think I may have confused this as the issue. It isn't is it?

ShirleyPhallus · 10/12/2017 09:25

That is so beautifully written OP. And so frighteningly true.

Please do share it on Twitter

Gileswithachainsaw · 10/12/2017 09:29

Written down like that it just seems so impossible doesn't it. Yet it is absolutely true.

Never in my life would I ever have expected to be following feminism threads and worrying about what men will do next.

I've never worried about men.
Ever.

I've been in awkward situations but ive never altered by behaviour nor will I because of men.

But they have done it now haven't they. They have gone as far as they can ever go and convinced children there's something wrong with them and managed to convince women that they are also women.

Science which is the foundation of everything is now hate speech.

Are we to burn text books now. What he fuck is happening that test results are seen as discriminatory and a personal attack.

I am truly fearful for the future. The only thing worse than this is the inevitable shit hitting the fab I'm a few years time where kids realise they don't pass as men/women

They have a limited dating pool and are lonely

They can't have their own children because they have been neutered.

No scholar ships
No nore diverse offices
No more women in sports
No more achievements for women
Prisoners treated so poorly that the ability for a man to be in a women's prison is more important than keeping the most vulnerable people in society safe from abuse.

Just wtf

katand2kits · 10/12/2017 09:29

LEM, no it's not about gender stereotypes. Quite the opposite. First and foremost, it's about female people being able to have boundaries. Transgender ideology is built in gender stereotypes and the idea that if they aren't conforming to masculine norms, they are in fact a woman.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2017 09:30

OP, that letter is amazing.

katand2kits · 10/12/2017 09:31

People should be allowed to identify as they wish, but this identity should not be allowed to take precedence in law over their actual sex.

Thelilywhite · 10/12/2017 09:37

Carrot beautifully put. Sad though

SparklyUnicornTractors · 10/12/2017 09:41

Please don't assume all women are opposed to the integration of sexes or feel threatened by someone's genitals.

Sure. But please don't assume all women are not, and that women whose life experience and feelings differ from yours are silly and wrong.

Which is what you're saying, isn't it? You withdraw permission for other people to have their feelings or rights respected unless you personally have those feelings or needs yourself, and support an agenda to force people with those different feelings and needs to just get over it. Is that really true about your beliefs?

SparklyUnicornTractors · 10/12/2017 09:45

Just to add:

I'm lesbian. Are you including me in the 'get over your silly being threatened by a penis' instruction too, because I'm being told that to call myself a lesbian after three decades of doing so is now 'terfy'. And that I have a social duty to be attracted to and be willing to give sex to any man who tells me he identifies as a woman. I can no longer say I'm attracted to female bodies only, or women only, that makes me evil and wrong.

Do you agree I'm evil and wrong for being gay (I mean the actual traditional meaning of gay that was fine until about a year ago that means attracted to the same biological sex) and just need to get over my genital phobia?

Datun · 10/12/2017 09:46

Fantastic letter carrotandcornsoup

Heartfelt, accurate and painful.

For the poster who said they don’t care about mixing the sexes. Number one, whether you care or not is immaterial. Your agency for choice is being removed.

And number two. I have had male doctors, no problem. But the trans-ideology now includes autogynephiles who fetishise women’s biology. And can be legally women.

I would have no way of rejecting them as an HCP.

The transwoman who has set up a pregnancy advisory service for transwomen, for instance. Or the other groups who wear prosthetics to make them look pregnant.

Professional, educated people who could quite easily be doctors or gynaecologists (see the trans widows threads on here where, to a woman, all their husbands are professional high earners).

It’s a supreme arrogance to promote a mixing of the sexes, when the sexes are not the same. Nor equal.

I can understand it being done by those who benefit. But those who don’t?

I will never, ever understand how are you can sacrifice so very many women and girls.

HumphreyCobblers · 10/12/2017 09:46

This is excellent.

These things are already happening now. We are not scaremongering. It is not all about where you pee ffs.

Ereshkigal · 10/12/2017 09:48

Wow that's amazing. So powerful. Really gets the point across. Please make it into a blog post so it can be shared on social media.

BeyondAssignation · 10/12/2017 09:49

That is a brilliantly written post, carrot

whitehandledkitchenknife · 10/12/2017 09:52

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transactivist friends, your lefty male allies, the ones you stood beside and yellled 'terf, transphobe, bigot' with, with you shouting the loudest, because you wanted to show what a good ally you were, how inclusive, how progressive. Where are they now? Why, they are where they always were. Benefitting from the patriarchy. Enjoying the new, improved version of it that you helped them to build by crushing the resistance from the women who spoke up for their rights. This has all cost them nothing; it has made the world a better, easier place for men. It has cost you and your sisters who campaigned with them for virtue cookies, everything

This.

There is a reason why older women are being no-platformed. We know our history. As PP put it, our feminism came from within, from questioning, thinking critically and challenging.
Who will these young women turn to for support? These men won't give a flying fuck.
There is a reason why men cannot be feminists. Allies perhaps, but when the chips are down, men do not step up unless it is in their own interests to do so.
There is a reason why all of this is being sidled into public conscience by stealth. That reason, under the guise and deception of 'inclusion', is to subjugate all women.

Great post Carrot

McTufty · 10/12/2017 09:52

Bravo, OP

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SparklyUnicornTractors · 10/12/2017 09:57

I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for your rights. Fighting to undo the damage.

Brilliant, Carrot

LangCleg · 10/12/2017 10:00

Lovely letter. And I think Jeni Harvey's piece Your Allyship Will Not Protect You would be a good companion piece:

medium.com/@GappyTales/your-allyship-will-not-protect-you-86c543490512

ladyballs · 10/12/2017 10:03

Fantastic post OP.

RaininSummer · 10/12/2017 10:03

Excellent Carrot.

Natsku · 10/12/2017 10:07

Excellent wonderfully written letter carrot are you on twitter so it can be put there and shared?

lostplot · 10/12/2017 10:07

Brilliant post, Carrot. Sloth, I am the same as you and I wouldn't care in most situations. BUT there are women out there who will be affected, we have to protect them and their rights. This is not the time to be "I'm alright Jill".

CaptainBrickbeard · 10/12/2017 10:10

This is beautiful, powerful, moving and needs to be shared and shared as widely as possible. It needs to go to the MPs pushing through the changes as well as to the general public. It reads like The Handmaid’s Tale; it should be a horrible piece of dystopian fiction but it threatens to be reality. Please let’s get this out there.

pontiouspilates · 10/12/2017 10:12

Thank you for this. Will ask my husband and daughters to read it as it's so important.

Peanutbuttercheese · 10/12/2017 10:14

Thank you for writing such a powerful piece that shows exactly why the issues need challenging.

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