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a letter to the woman who called me a terf

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carrotandcornsoup · 10/12/2017 07:01

To the woman who shrieked at me that I am a bigot and a terf and a hateful transphobe for defending women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and you're referred to throughout your pregnancy as a birthing individual, a pregnant person, and it makes you feel kind of dehumanised and you wish they'd just call you a woman, a mother, because that's what you are. But they're not allowed, because it's illegal to say only women can be pregnant and give birth.

Remember me when you give birth and you feel vulnerable and exposed and you really want a woman beside you who understands what you're going through and instead your midwife is a six foot man with stubble in a dress and you know he isn't a woman but you're not allowed to object, even when you need to be examined and you just want a woman to do it but you know you can't say anything because that would be hate speech, even though your body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who has lost her mind to dementia, goes into a care home and is told that her carer, Susan, is a woman, because you asked that she only be cared for by women. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that Susan is a man, and you know Susan is a man, but you cannot object, and she has to allow Susan to perform her intimate care, because to object would be hate speech.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because Lucas in her class, one of the fastest boys, has decided he identifies as female for now and so is allowed to run in her race, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, he will always beat her, and she can only ever hope for a silver medal now. Or bronze, if there is another Lucas.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's noone else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because if you do he'll say he's a woman and has as much right as you do to be in this toilet, a place where many years ago you might have come to feel safe.

Remember me when you go for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. You've put in the hours, you've worked so hard, you know you deserve it. And the position goes to Lola, who until last year was a 50 year old man. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have babies, or to deal with any health issues that you, a woman might face, like endometriosis, breast cancer, PND. Lola is a woman just like you, and your company are happy that they have fulfilled their quota of women members on the board.

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for women committing rape and murder are on the increase, and now women carry out a much higher number of rapes and murders than they did when you were a teenager or a young woman. And you know that these 'women' are men and that the statistics are wrong, but to challenge this would be hate speech. Remember me too, when these women rapists are locked up with vulnerable women in female prisons and cannot escape, because to challenge the presence of the women rapists with penises in prison with them would be hate speech.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas and that his teacher said that because he likes playing with girls and dolls that maybe he is really a girl in the wrong body. And you think, no, you are just my wonderful, unique, son, and you were born in your own body. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that you are not validating your son's identity and that she's noticed you are still referring to him by the name you so carefully chose for him when he was born, and calling him a boy, when he is actually a girl, and that she doesn't want to have to involve social services but she's worried she might have to if you continue to misgender your son and deny his real identity. And you know that she will, because it's happened before in a school near you, and you are afraid.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transactivist friends, your lefty male allies, the ones you stood beside and yellled 'terf, transphobe, bigot' with, with you shouting the loudest, because you wanted to show what a good ally you were, how inclusive, how progressive. Where are they now? Why, they are where they always were. Benefitting from the patriarchy. Enjoying the new, improved version of it that you helped them to build by crushing the resistance from the women who spoke up for their rights. This has all cost them nothing; it has made the world a better, easier place for men. It has cost you and your sisters who campaigned with them for virtue cookies, everything.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for your rights. Fighting to undo the damage.

I'll have your back, as I always have done.

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whoputthecatout · 10/12/2017 13:17

Applauds OP Star

Loungingbutnotforlong · 10/12/2017 13:22

This is very powerful- a terrifying handmaids tale for our times.

AskBasil · 10/12/2017 13:24

" If you want people to take you seriously you need to make a rational argument, not an emotive one. "

The emotive arguments are working really well for transactivists.

And they're not even true. Trans teenagers are no more likely to kill themselves than any other teenager. Transwomen are no more likely to be murdered than women, unless they are in prostitution when the probability of being murdered (by a man) shoots up for all prostituted people.

And calling women hysterical, is just bog-standard misogyny. Male claims to rationalism are emotional bollocks and the pretence that there's some kind of split between rationalism and emotionalism with rationalism belonging to men and therefore superior and emotionalism belonging to women and therefore inferior, is just more bog standard, tired misogyny. Bollocks to it.

LangCleg · 10/12/2017 13:30

If you want people to take you seriously you need to make a rational argument, not an emotive one.

Straw man. What makes you think that rational, dispassionate arguments aren't being made? See, for example, work by Fair Play For Women.

GardenGeek · 10/12/2017 13:30

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AskBasil · 10/12/2017 13:33

The truth is, if you want people to take you seriously, you need to have a penis.

A real one, not an artificially constructed one. Hmm

MarrowWang · 10/12/2017 13:36

If you want people to take you seriously you need to make a rational argument, not an emotive one.

Making rational arguments rather than emotive ones hasn't worked so far. making a rational argument gets you branded a terf. Also as others have said, the transactivists argument is entirely emotive rather than fact based.

Thermostatpolice · 10/12/2017 13:59

Many of us knew all of the rational arguments and yet still jumped on the transgender ideology bandwagon for a time without really thinking. An irrational, emotion-driven choice. Perhaps best countered by emotional argument.

Also - transgender ideology is firmly based on feelings and emotion. Why shouldn't gender critics argue from the same standpoint?

winterinmadeira · 10/12/2017 14:16

Great post OP. It’s a very real and scary look at the potential future...one which needs to be averted.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/12/2017 14:24

If you want people to take you seriously you need to make a rational argument, not an emotive one

I've taught writing to Argue and Persuade for any many years. Emotive language is one of about ten key techniques in rhetoric. Someone else was having a go at someone for using rhetorical questions the other day. Biscuit

Let's please try to remember GCSE English Language?

fruitlovingmonkey · 10/12/2017 14:43

Brilliant letter carrot

Bluebellforest1 · 10/12/2017 14:48

Brilliant post carrot, thank you so much. I got quite emotional reading that.

hipsterfun · 10/12/2017 14:51

Worthy of reposting in Chat.

For traffic.

Suziki · 10/12/2017 15:07

Thank you for writing this and sharing this- it needs to be said and loudly so all women and girls can hear and put a stop to this before it goes any further

B0033 · 10/12/2017 15:33

Thank you, op.

AsMenDclaredWomenTheirInferior · 10/12/2017 15:37

It's very important biologically and genetically to know who is female and who is male.
Just because people can cosmetically alter their outer appearance does not mean they can alter internally
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4964018/
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BahHumbygge · 10/12/2017 15:48

Brilliant Carrot Star

Please blog it somewhere/send it viral on SM.

ferntwist · 10/12/2017 16:05

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whitehandledkitchenknife · 10/12/2017 16:07

You beat me to it Ferntwist
Well done OP.

SophoclesTheFox · 10/12/2017 16:10

I completely disagree that you should only effect political change through rational argument and never use emotive language.

That's like saying, "I have a dream" could have been way more effective if it had been "I have a list of things we need to do, OK?".

Same impact? No.

cuirderussie · 10/12/2017 16:24

Well said OP. I'm feeling particularly depressed about clueless young women at the moment and their "feminism".

BeyondAssignation · 10/12/2017 16:31

"Blah blah... need to make a rational argument"

Shortly before op was verbally condemned and called "terf", she probably did make an entirely rational comment...

That would be my experience, anyway.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/12/2017 16:46

Excellent. Well done, OP.

kua · 10/12/2017 16:50

Well said OP. I hope your letter has opened people eyes to the harmful impact this ideology has on women and children.

SteX · 10/12/2017 16:57

As a man, this is so powerful and so empowering. Great writing OP, and scarily, so apt and true.

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