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Liliy Madigan

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dinosaursandtea · 05/12/2017 12:59

She's taking a Twitter break for her mental health because of the level of abuse she's receiving. She's a teenage girl, FFS - and even if you think she's a teenage boy, in what world does a 19 year old deserve this amount of bullying?

I hope you're all fucking happy now.

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KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 05/12/2017 15:11

I mean who on earth is going to offer him any kind of proper job with this kind of exposure online? He’s dooming himself to life as a screwed up keyboard warrior against terfs once his “mates” in the Labour Party get bored of him.
Back away and STFU is surely the only advice here

Sentimentallentil · 05/12/2017 15:12

rhonda

Well lily doesn’t speak to their parents because they are ‘transphobic, sexist and racist’ apparently.

catgirl1976 · 05/12/2017 15:17

Yellow Rose - I wouldn't accept a 'regular man' as you put it, as a Women's Officer. Nor would the Labour Party as the position must, by their own rules, be given to a female

The Jo Cox Foundation did not issue a statement AFAIK - It was a list of previous recipients that did.

Lancelottie · 05/12/2017 15:19

trans women are not our enemies

This particular one is not a friend.

Junebugjr · 05/12/2017 15:21

stupid thing really??
Women feel as though their rights are being eroded.
Have you read up on why women are concerned yellowrose?
You may get a better idea why lots of women are pissed off about the GRA.
I agree transwomen aren't the enemy, but surely you can see the blatant misogyny of the transactivists?
We aren't the enemy.

Datun · 05/12/2017 15:22

I don't how this is worse than being represented by a "regular man"? The Jo Cox foundation are fine with it, they issued a statement.

Because a 19-year-old boy who thinks he’s a woman is claiming that what ever he thinks is how a woman thinks.

A ‘regular man’ can be held more accountable for sexism, as it’s coming from a man.

Not so with a man who thinks he’s a woman.

Like Paris Lees saying that catcalling and objectification are fun and empowering. And that shagging someone who is crying is a turn on. Talking as a feminist who represents women! Because he’s a man who thinks he’s a woman.

No one would have to accept that sort of bull from a man. The man who thinks he’s a woman gets a pass because they’re talking for women.

It’s like me identifying as a man, writing an article in a men’s magazine and saying come on men, we all love raping don’t we? Let’s just admit it. It’s so hot overpowering a woman. And if you disagree with me you’re wrong because I’m an actual man and I get it, mate.

Sentimentallentil · 05/12/2017 15:26

yellowrose

Lily doesn’t believe that biology has anything to do with being a woman, how can you represent women if you don’t think it has anything to do with biology? Pretty much every women’s issue I can think of have biology at it’s basis.

Lily doesn’t think they have to listen to any woman that they disagree with, in fact they think it’s ok to call people who don’t agree with them bigots and dismiss them, even give up their right to privacy. Not a particularly good stance for a public representative to have now is it.

Did lily start by saying ‘I know my election will be contraversial and I understand why, I know I have a lot to learn and I am humbled that you voted me in. Please be assured I am a woman’s officer and I will put women first.’ Of course they didn’t it was all ‘me me me, trans women will finally be listened to, biology is irrelevent’

I’ve been thinking about this and I was wondering if I would be opposed to a trans woman being a woman’s officer on sheer principle and I keep thinking that if there was someone truly sensitive then I probably wouldn’t, but the point is a trans woman who gets it wouldn’t put themselves up as a woman’s officer. By virtue of the fact they want the role shows how unsuitable they are.

Lily made this mess.

sleighbellend · 05/12/2017 15:26

Imagine if it was a teenage girl who had said something ‘transphobic’ (which could be pretty much anything mentioning female biology), would Paris lees, Shon Faye etc be tweeting about how we should lay off this poor little child? Would they fuck. Lily’s male privilege is protecting him in this situation. It’s fine for males to be as misogynistic as they want, as long as they claim to be women.

I don’t think he deserves death threats or bullying. I think he is a naive and arrogant teenage boy - like so many are - and should have been stopped by a responsible adult way before he got to the stage of being a woman’s officer. Someone should have pointed out that it was never going to end well, especially for someone who claims to be as fragile as Lily. So I do have some sympathy. But why do women have to have sympathy for this boy who mocks rape victims and denigrates our realities and experience, otherwise we’re all horrible bitches? How do Lily’s defenders square that attitude with their ‘kill all terfs’ one?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/12/2017 15:29

I don't how this is worse than being represented by a "regular man"?

I'm not a Labour Party member or activist, but as I understand it the reason each constituency party (and student union and trades union) has a Women's Officer is because it is recognised that women as a group are underrepresented in politics and have many specific issues that don't affect men, e.g. maternity leave/benefits, institutional sexism ensuring we still don't have equal pay and promotion prospects, variable standards of obstetric and gynaecological care, need for free access to contraception and termination of pregnancy, unfairness of having to pay VAT on sanitary protection, horrifying levels of sexual and domestic violence, and yes, the need for segregation of the sexes to protect women and girls in places where they are particularly vulnerable, e.g. refuges, sexual health clinics, rape counselling services, health care settings, prisons, changing rooms and public toilets.

The women's officer is supposed to be a strong voice constantly reviewing policies to see how they would affect women and campaigning to keep women's issues visible. Only women are eligible to stand for election as a women's officer which is obviously designed to make sure that there is at least one woman on every executive committee as well as making sure that the women's officer is someone women feel comfortable talking to about these sensitive issues.

Only now the Labour Party has decided that self-identification in this area is absolutely fine and so a biological male of 19 years of age with no previous political experience and obviously hardly any life experience (and none at all of having a woman's biology) is taking on this role for Rochester and Strood. Utterly ridiculous and insulting.

MrGHardy · 05/12/2017 15:32

The only threats and abuse I saw were against TERFs. In this day and age, having a different opinion, or questioning someone, counts as abuse.

The (alt) right have been saying that for a long time btw.

FattyCat · 05/12/2017 15:33

dinosaursandtea

I've been very active on twitter the last week as I've had nothing to do but put milk into the top half of my granddaughter and watch it come out of the other end.

I'll respect Lilly's pronouns in this post in the interest of civility.

I've seen no abuse or bullying of Lilly, I have seen her being really threatening and quite creepy to others, calling them terfs, refusing to debate, and on one post a mention of how she will from next week have access to information about female labour party members that came across as a veiled threat of the "I know where you live" type. She also says very passive aggressive and manipulative things and then signs off with a kiss.

This is someone who, along with a transparantly misogynistic bloke, bullied an harrassed a middle aged lesbian out of her job and who made rape jokes and called "herself" Saville's apprentice.

Yes she is young, and no doubt that is why she bit off more than she could chew when she actively undertook a role that she knew she had no right to in the interest of intimidating others.

She isn't the victim here.

53rdWay · 05/12/2017 15:40

The (alt) right have been saying that for a long time btw

The alt-right? Richard Spencer? Neo-Nazis? You’re bringing those guys up as an example of reason and civil disagreement?

sausagepastapot · 05/12/2017 15:43

[email protected]

Email screen shots of vile tweets/Facebook posts , and general reasons why you are hot happy with him being given this role, to this address.

Lancelottie · 05/12/2017 15:48

yes, the need for segregation of the sexes to protect women and girls in places where they are particularly vulnerable

We know that Lily will actively campaign against this. There is a massive conflict of interest here.

ArcheryAnnie · 05/12/2017 15:52

but trans women are not our enemies

Yellowrose87 transwomen are not a monolith. There are some who are indeed not our enemies. (Thank you, as ever, Miranda, Streetvoice, and all the rest of you.) There are some that are, including any who - like Lily Madigan - who make rape jokes, bully lesbians, threaten to doxx women, and generally make the Labour Party a toxic environment for left-leaning women. Lily Madigan is very much my enemy, because Madigan has done everything possible to make themselves so.

MrGHardy · 05/12/2017 16:01

I put it in brackets because I've seen people holding simply right wing views being labeled as that. Anyone who reads Breitbart. The point is, for a long time they've complained about silencing, no debate/platforming, and safe meaning don't have to hear opposing views, rather being exempt from harm.

53rdWay · 05/12/2017 16:07

I don’t think you should be mixing up all people who are politically right-wing with the likes of Richard Spencer, MrGHardy. White supremacists are hardly a brave voice of truth we should be paying more attention to.

Fekko · 05/12/2017 16:18

I'm too scared to google - what's to dox/doxx?

53rdWay · 05/12/2017 16:23

Doxxing is revealing a person’s real-life information when they haven’t made that publicly available. So if you said “53rdWay is actually Janet McSwinney from 7 Acacia Avenue in Bournemouth!”, that would be doxing me.

Fekko · 05/12/2017 16:24

That's shit isn't it? I assume the reason is hint that 'someone will pay you a visit...'

nauticant · 05/12/2017 16:30

I assume the reason is hint that 'someone will pay you a visit...'

Actually, an adjunct to doxxing is then to use the real world identity to send the police around to the target's address. When it's armed police it's a move referred to as Swatting.

Fekko · 05/12/2017 16:33

Oh I've heard of that! I remember when it happened on here.

SuburbanRhonda · 05/12/2017 16:39

Well lily doesn’t speak to their parents because they are ‘transphobic, sexist and racist’ apparently.

Seriously? Teenager doesn’t get on with parents? Hold the front page 🙄

Maryz · 05/12/2017 16:47

She also probably doesn't get on too well with her brother, having accused him of setting up her earlier twitter account with all the rape jokes.

I'd say her parents weren't too impressed by that Hmm

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2017 16:51

It also comes at the same time as an orchestrated transactivist doxxing campaign of gender critical feminists and other women as mentioned in other threads.