Liliy Madigan

[dinosaursandtea]

She's taking a Twitter break for her mental health because of the level of abuse she's receiving. She's a teenage girl, FFS - and even if you think she's a teenage boy, in what world does a 19 year old deserve this amount of bullying?

I hope you're all fucking happy now.

I keep thinking of this thread in the light of yesterday's main political cartoon in the Times.

It showed Theresa May as a farrowing sow lying on her side in the straw with a load of runty piglets (labelled NHS, Education, Social Equality, etc.) and one fat piglet labelled Brexit monopolising the teats.

Offensive? Yes. Misogynistic? Yes. Funny? Yes, I did find it funny in a "God if you don't laugh you'll cry" sort of way. Political satire of the sort that is necessary in a free society? Beyond a doubt.

Is May throwing a paddy about it? Bloody hell no, she's getting on with her job. As she is supposed to (regardless of whether one thinks she's doing it successfully or not).

The contrast with little Lily throwing his toys out of the pram (he does not have a GRC, makes rape jokes and says women's biology is irrelevant - I personally cannot bring myself to use any pronoun other than he) is marked.

It really underlines the point made upthread. Either Lily is a grown up, fit for political office, and part of that is taking the statement of opposing viewpoints in your stride. If Lily is a grown up, he can't play the delicate little flower card. Or Lily genuinely has such a tenuous grasp on mental health that people pointing out that he cannot see that making rape jokes, ignoring biology and threatening to doxx one's opponents will bring a shit ton of justified criticism on his head (justified criticism, not threats of violence. In which case Lily is not fit for political office. He cannot have it both ways.

I am angry about this whole thing but I am now furious about 'pretty little data' comment. I will be complaining to the Labour party. I am going to calm down and think about it overnight though.

I work in Local Government in a lowly front line service. If I was found to making that sort of comment on social media I would be suspended, investigated and likely sacked for gross misconduct. I'm damn sure a high profile officer should be held to the same account.

Given that we can all doubtless agree that, despite his shortcomings, Lily is nevertheless quite fragile, the angle should probably be hold to account those who promoted him, rather than him himself.

Put the onus squarely where it belongs.

Lilly is being subjected to criticism for being put in a position he should never have had access to.

Sympathy for his plight and dismissal of his authority is probably th way to go. The real criticsm should be reserved for those who manipulated him in the first place.

Lilly needs a reality check.

He should never have been in the running for that job in the first place (qualifications, nil), had his fingers slapped for the hate campaign against the previous post holder (Anne?), quickly realise that the world does it revolve around him and grow the hell up.

We don't care that he he has decided that he is a woman (with men's genitals - maybe he needs a biology lesson). He has bitten of more than he can chew and will be one unhappy Lilly unless he steps away from the limelight.

Agreed Datun.

What on earth is this person with such fragile self esteem doing in such a position? It's just emblematic of the problems which arise when you deny really obvious mental health issues in favour of ideological cant.

If you storm gleefully into a post over the head of biological women, and then trumpet all over the place about erasing biological women by separating biology from womanhood, and making damn clear that the interests of actual women are not on the agenda at all - and behave in a foul mouthed, entitled way like a ten year old with a severe conduct disorder - then you cannot whine and flounce when biological women get pissed off with you. Seriously, it's like a child who can't link their behaviour to consequences. Grown ups don't behave how they like and expect that they will still be feted and enabled.

I'd have listened with respect to a transwoman prepared to be interested in and speak for all women with care and concern for biological women's issues as 99% of the women population being represented. If Miranda Yardley wants to try for a post any time I'll gladly hold her coat.

Btw Yellowroses:

Does this screenshot look to you like it's been posted by an ally or friend to women? I can find you fifty more like that with a quick google search, many will mention rape, murder and battery and all to non compliant women. The one being told she is in for corrective rape here is a fifteen year old child. Or try Terfisaslur.com (you will need a strong stomach.) I will not support or have anything to do with anyone who behaves like this because it's absolutely and morally wrong.

I said Lily was being played when she was first offered the post in a thread in AIBU. I pondered on whether momentum was behind it. This sort of disruption at CLP level is just their thing.

Dreadful grammar there .

HemanOrSheRa

What’s the point though?

Enrage a lot of women and subject a fragile, inadequate boy to criticism?

Maybe the point is to drive all decent people out of the Labour party.

The boy is dishing and stirring in a very public forum. He is being facilitated by the Labour Party for god only knows what reason. We dont really know if he is vulnerable or not - or if he is a melodramatic attention seeking teen.

Either way, he cannot be left to shoot his mouth off without consequences. Some of the rubbish he comes out with is desperately harmful to women.

I wouldn't rule it out, drcuntybollocks

It would certainly accelerate the Momentum takeover.

They want to push everyone out who is not with Corbyn. They stir up trouble and bully their way in by any means. Momentum don't really give two shits about trans or women's rights. They've just jumped on the bandwagon in order to cause rifts and gain power.

I'm trying to find an email I was sent by my CLP stating that campaigning was suspended back in the run up to the last GE due to abuse and tensions. But I'm not having much joy! I have found this article which was about suspensions local to me.

www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bristol-labour-party-hit-by-suspensions/

Sparkly that screenshot is shocking.

I suspect it's a bot. No real person can be such an idiot.

Momentum do have form for this kind of "don't be mean to me, even though I am an elected official in a major political party!" bollocks. At one point they were trying to pull the "don't be mean to Corbyn - he's a 70 year old man" grandpa card. But if he's so fragile on account of his advanced age (he's only 70, ffs, not 90), then perhaps he shouldn't be trying to achieve the highest office in the land.

So Lily - Momentum's creature - pulling the "I'm a fragile teenager and I am too sad to go to school!11!!" card should be no surprise.

Ugh Ed Milliband is fully on the bandwagon and has tweeted in support of Lily.

Has anyone shared the tweets threatening to misuse data with any journalists?

To the PP who rightly pointed out that Paris, Shon etc wouldn't lay off a teenage girl - you reminded me of Eddie Izzard bragging about his encounter with 3 teenage girls in the ladies loos.

Top definition of cry bully from Urban Dictionary:

Someone who uses the perceived righteousness of a social justice cause as a pretext to abuse others, and then plays the victim when confronted about that abuse.
"I've never met a social justice warrior, victicrat, or practitioner of identity politics who wasn't a cry bully."

I don't understand why the supporters of Lilly don't condemn his behaviour or pull him to one side/threaten to sack him. Just like they would with anyone else. Telling him that he is bloody marvellous or fabulous is just a lot of nonsense.

The second line is part of the quote - it didn't itallicise.

Cry bully - sums it up perfectly.

what is Miliband thinking?!

Kneejerk righteousness.

It bypasses the thinking parts of the brain.