Girlguides now in on the act

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5117669/Girlguiding-issues-controversial-advice-trans-members.html

I think a mail link would go down better in AIBU/chat

I truly pity the first girl to be sexually assaulted by a male girl guide because it appears that until something awful happens this insanity is going to carry on.

Oh ffs:(

What's wrong woth joining scouts and cubs which allow both girls and boys.

This is just deliberate taking over of girls only spaces.

Stop indulging this crap

We used to go camping with the scouts when I was a guide. Girls one side of the field, boys the other, the leaders, eagle-eyed and sharp-eared in the middle.

What exactly is it that they think has changed about girls and boys that now, a boy who says he's a girl is OK to bunk with the girls, or a girl who says she's a boy is safe to bunk with the boys?

What about the fundamental nature of teenagers is different now, than it was 10 years ago that means this is suddenly OK?

I would love to read their risk assessments.

Girls have been beavers, cubs and scouts for years. Where I live this is much more popular and rainbows/brownies/guides seem to be on the way out. Maybe they are trying to address that, although I don't know if it is the same everywhere.

Oh FFS I chose to send my DD to brownies/guides because it was girls only. If a boy joins her unit and goes to the camps then my DD won't be going.

Boys lost the choice as girls wanted to go into this male space, why do we think it is OK to treat them differently? If it was unfair to keep girls out of scouting why is guiding different?

I wonder if some guide leaders will now stop taking guides to camp or on any overnight trips, as they won't want to be responsible for a mixed group.

We used to take boys and girls to camp, it wasn't a problem. I helped with beavers but there would be cubs and scouts there as well.

Presumably they slept separately though?

I honestly can't remember, ours were the little ones so probably more of an issue with the older ones.

My kids did camp outs in the school hall and they were all together.

Definitely all together on Ten Tors as well.

Boys lost the choice as girls wanted to go into this male space, why do we think it is OK to treat them differently? If it was unfair to keep girls out of scouting why is guiding different?

Why do they have to be the same? Why aren't both sexes allowed space on their own?

And it wasn't that it was unfair to keep girls out of scouting - it was that the cubs needed more members (at least in the areas I knew about - we were up to 3 packs of brownies, and the cubs was struggling to fille one around where I lived).

Its just arrghhh i think guides is a great way for girls to build skills and confidence. I also think boys and girls should play together. I would have no problem with having a sleep over in my house of a mixed group of young people where i can monitor them and they are kids i know. But this is just silly.

This isn't about mixing the group's though.this is denying biological differences and not providing the provisions that would be made when taking a mixed group out on a camp.

So the biys and girls would used separate facilities and kept separate on a known mixed trip.

They wouldn't have to pretend X was a girl and share showers

grannytomine
The problem is not mixed sex groups - it's the deliberate policy of allowing transgender children / adolescents to sleep together, shower together etc.
I presume that the Guides had one of the transgender organisation is who told them that it is transphobic and literal violence to allow girls privacy or dignity when showering, changing or sleeping and that the needs of an individual male child to be validated as a female outweighs the wish of ANY girl for dignity and privacy. And of course it makes the Guides a no go area for any girls where religious expectations of privacy from the opposite sex matter. Not to mention a deliberate policy of not letting parents know that their 11 year old will be sharing a dorm / tent with a 16 year old transgender girl with a penis.

It's amazing how this group gets a 'pass' in terms of safeguarding? But hey, they're just girls after all and there's only one group with wishes that matter these days.

Boys lost the choice as girls wanted to go into this male space, why do we think it is OK to treat them differently? If it was unfair to keep girls out of scouting why is guiding different?

That isn't the point. Scouts accepts boys and girls. Guides only accepts girls but now accepts children who are genetically and physically male but say they are girls.

tis old news I think

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2834684-Furious-Girl-Guides-now-admitting-boys

If guides accepted both would there be an issue? Where you all complaining when boys lost the opportunity to have a male organisation? I don't believe it was because there weren't enough cubs, definitely not where I live or where I used to live 200 miles away. Scouting was way more popular which was why girls wanted to join.

But it's not about being mixed is it.

It's about pretending boys are girls and having to sleep and shower with them

Huge difference

Interesting. I'm a Brownie leader and about a year ago, the Chief Guide spoke at an event I was at, urging us to recruit amongst communities where parents are very keen for their daughters to attend girls-only clubs. This seems a different approach.

A previous poster said it's a recruitment thing - it's absolutely not. We have 70,000 girls on waiting lists to join the movement. We need more volunteers!

This isn't new, it happened several months ago. It's just the Mail who have picked it up today for some reason.

As a brownie leader and GC feminist I have no idea what I will do when faced with this situation. I have seriously considered leaving, because of another implication of the change. Girlguiding UK is open for 'anyone who identifies as a girl or woman' to join. I have thought long and hard and come to the conclusion that I don't 'identify as a woman'. I am female, but that's not the same thing. SO, technically, I do not qualify as a leader. I can only be a volunteer helper (open to everyone including men). A big part of me wants to take them at their word and down-grade my memebership, but that doesn't seem fair as it could impact on my group.

Scouting wasn't more popular - they had a leadership crisis in the 80s and 90s and opening it to boys and girls increased the number of volunteers.

I agree with Giles, it isn't about the rights of accepting the other sex into organisations, it is about letting boys into spaces that should be girl only.

Agree with you, MrsKCastle.

Part of my role as a leader is deconstructing gender - showing the young females in my group that they are not limited by the socialisation of girls. I think of Brownies as my feminist act!