TRANS HEALTH MANIFESTO

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I'm choking on my porridge. This Trans Health manifesto is...just...gosh.

I've only skim read it but they don't seem to have included Female Genital Mutilation on their list of bad things done to bodies. Interesting!

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/trans-health-manifesto/#more-10439

Jenni Murray is worth ten IWs and far better suited to representing women's interests and concerns. That interview alone was sufficient to demonstrate IW's manifest unsuitability. Does make you wonder whether trans should be required to sit a mandatory feminist theory/women's studies module (akin to a citizenship test) before they allowed to wade in on women's issues. That way, they might avoid some of the more embarrassing blunders like IW's.

badbadhusky

It was their smug, patronising tone that wound me up. Not a single clue about feminism, yet pontificating bossily about it. And betraying their ignorance with every word. I don't know how Jenni Murray kept from laughing out loud.

Not sure which made me laugh more: The fact we're supposed to take a Tumblr "manifesto" as if it were written by an adult, or that the tough-guy trans revolutionaries are demanding local anaesthetic to wax their legs..

I didn't have anaesthetic when I had my Gynaefix coil fitted way back when, apart from some local anaesthetic in my cervix before they dilated it. The Gynaefix is a string of copper beads held in place with a knot that is pushed into the wall of your uterus with what looks like a giant crochet needle - unaesthetised. They also only give you paracetamol post-Caesarian (major abdominal surgery) once your spinal/GA wears off. I guess if you've lived your whole life as a man, you are not used to having to tolerate very painful procedures (and periods) and being expected to take it on the chin. There are plenty of hairy women too. I don't hear them asking for LA for hair removal, probably becaise we have to sort out and pay for our own.

So true husky

Being a woman means having a uterine biopsy and, as that degree of pain is a fairly normal thing for women to endure, there is no suggestion of pain relief. It's almost as if womanhood means more than just dressing up and feeling like it. It's as if it has some physical implications too.

probably a stupid question

free anonymous blood tests - what for?

Well, that's a load of ignorant, ill-informed nonsense, isn't it?

The anaesthetic for hair removal is, I presume, for men who have their bollocks lasered in order to use the skin as a "neo-vagina" and minimise the risk of internal hair growth.

Though it's very interesting that the NHS consultation has got them rattled... I wonder what they know - or think they know - about the responses received so far?

I think we should have Maria Miller on for a webchat. I think lots of us have questions we'd like her to answer.

So much agree with this. Mumsnet, we would love this....

It's Justine Greening now though. MN said on this thread that they were trying to get her and people have been bumping it.

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if any of them came on.

They also only give you paracetamol post-Caesarian (major abdominal surgery) once your spinal/GA wears off.

Not the case for everyone. I had morphine and I know of quite a few other women given various painkillers. But I agree with the general point that women are expected to endure pain often without painkillers (as in labour, most noticeably!) And we certainly don't get hair removal assistance from the state, in spite of the strong social expectation that women remove body hair..

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if any of them came on.

Me too, unfortunately.

I know Julia Long was prepared to though, & I bet Janice Turner would.

Yes, you will only get people who are pro women. And I do think that could be effective. Given how many journalists monitor mumsnet.

HI, I have spent the last three days reading most of the Trans comment pages here on MN including the Olympics/sports megathreads. Phew!

I am utterly shocked and horrified and feel like I am living in an alternate reality, but also glad to find so many like-minded souls and real open discussion about the state of affairs we find ourselves in, and have just signed up to get involved and put my name to the campaign so to speak, in any way I can.

I reached peak trans a few months ago and reached the peak of the peak when reading about the Hyde Park assaults, but like many others felt/feel silenced about discussing my concerns and fears out of fear of being accused of some 'hate speech' BS.

Any recommendations of other pages to follow or sites to join welcomed, sorry to hijack this thread, it seemed like the most current and apt.

This seems like a good place to share the

launch statement, Facebook & Twitter links for Woman's Place UK.

Gosh. We actually had a conversation about gender at home last night, in front of four teenagers (not all mine), without anyone humphing out of the room because Your Generation Just Don't Understand.

DH (IT) was grumbling about trying to sort out the balls-up someone had made of an appointments system which now asks the client to put in both their sex and their gender. Apparently almost nobody just fills it in as M, M or F, F. Some people only fill in one box (and if that's the gender one, it could mean 'I think this is the polite word' or 'I, like, totally believe my gender is more pertinent to my records than my sex'), some write unhelpful screeds in the gender box. And then the software has a hissy fit and falls over.

I mentioned that for my work, the current rule is 'If it's biological, use sex; if psychology, consider using gender, but check with author.'

We had a mild discussion about the importance of collecting sex-based data for medicine, and a brief foray into the original meaning of the term 'hysteria' and the question of whether to allow 'gender' in a study of Guatemalan multiple murderers (genuine topic, we decided that despite this being a psychological study, their declared gender identity was probably not what was meant). None of the teenagers slammed out of the room. Progress?

ThanksEmpress I have shared and liked.

I insisted on Tramadol second time around, but several of my friends also struggled post-CS because only paracetamol was offered. It's the idea of it that not offering decent pain relief after such a major procedure is acceptable. I know that drugs can cross into breastmilk so care has to be taken, but I can't think of any other major surgery where adequate pain relief is witheld.

Kitties "DH (IT) was grumbling about trying to sort out the balls-up someone had made of an appointments system which now asks the client to put in both their sex and their gender. Apparently almost nobody just fills it in as M, M or F, F"

could that be their way of protesting against the insanity.

interesting to hear about the teens, but depressing that "gender" - such a nonsense - is so ingrained now.

btw I may be thick but I couldn't really understand what that NHS questionnaire was asking.

I'm sorry, I've only read the link and op, from the link I found this.

Is this a trans man describing how he feels he was suffering from an illness? I'm not sure what to make of it.

maritzacummings.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/lets-get-real/

I don't even know what a trans man is any more

is it a man who wants to be a woman or a woman who has already become a trans man?

Argh.

"Is this a trans man describing how he feels he was suffering from an illness?"
I think she/he/they, is someone who transitioned but is now coming back again/trying to find somewhere else to go to, trying to make sense of where they can go from the point of living as a transman for many years. And making sense of how they ended up where they did in the first place.
To me the confusion is part of the point..........

And although I agree with much of what they say, I cannot agree with: "We also talk about Urine Therapy and how it helped us in so many ways." Although frankly, drinking pee or whatever else you do with 'urine therapy' is (probably) totally harmless compared with what years of testosterone do to female anatomy, let alone the male pattern baldness........................

Actually, if you look around that website, many posts that actually agree with what is being said on here. Just that the journey that this person has taken.............Well, it is very brave to say that the whole trans thing is nonsense when you have followed it for that long.

"DH (IT) was grumbling about trying to sort out the balls-up someone had made of an appointments system which now asks the client to put in both their sex and their gender. Apparently almost nobody just fills it in as M, M or F, F"*

Presumably almost no one posting here apart from me would say "F, F".

Presumably almost no one posting here apart from me would say "F, F

??

I would say F F

And I'm a gender non-confirming F if the stereotypes of what femininity is that I've just seen on horizon are anything to go by.