TRANS HEALTH MANIFESTO

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I'm choking on my porridge. This Trans Health manifesto is...just...gosh.

I've only skim read it but they don't seem to have included Female Genital Mutilation on their list of bad things done to bodies. Interesting!

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/trans-health-manifesto/#more-10439

'If we take a period to mean a cyclical timeframe of specific symptoms...'

Who needs to have blood coming out of their vagina? If you've got a headache, you're 'on'!

There must be a whole population of men who have a Sunday morning period when they've had their regularly Saturday night in the pub.

The period thing is so disturbing.

Sorry about my formatting fail 😬. Glad you all get the gist of it though. It really is very disturbing.

I'm speechless - why do these people think they're entitled to free treatment on the NHS for trans procedures? To me these are self-elected choices (not life-threatening conditions) and so should be paid for by those that want them.

No one would give someone with anorexia diet pills. I really don't understand why it's ok to give people with gender dysphoria hormones and surgery. It seems cruel to me, to assist someone in perpetuating their own delusions when physical reality will just always be there. A transwoman will always be biologically male, no hormones can change that

Well yes. I can't think of a single other situation where when there is a mismatch between body and brain, its the body that is treat rather than the brain. Obviously in some cases surgeries and such may be the answer, but the widespread 'treatment' is hormones and such, as transactivists claim that psychological help is 'conversion therapy' and is people wanting to 'literally erase transpeople'.

And bouncing up and down on their bed flicking their hair and complaining about cramps and the need for chocolate.

Christ Datun you really took one for the team watching that

Ereshkigal

They came across as a psychopathic valley girl wanna be on acid.

There was a horrid fascination to it, to be honest.

Bouquets to all who have suggested things for DD to try on this thread! Keeping up the max dose of ibuprofen throughout school, plus warm bath and wheat bag at home, seems to have taken the edge off (or as she puts it, 'I feel just ill now, not like I'm being stabbed').

What's also helped, I think, is just to know that there's more she can try and she doesn't have to shut up and put up.

I vaguely knew Jess Bradley when they were an undergraduate about 10 years ago - they always seemed extremely fragile and desperate for people to think they were special and interesting. Also they featured on a tacky C4 programme a few years ago about young people getting into public nudity, where they came across as pretty damaged and sad. Not sure what the point of this post is, I'm trying to phrase it in a way that's not just unkind gossip. I'm not surprised to see them involved with all this. I've stumbled across the odd Facebook post of Jess's in the past (we've got quite a few friends in common), and it's all the usual anti-terf victimy crap.

Lancelottie - sympathies to your DD. My DD (14) also suffers from horrible periods (cramps, headaches, nausea etc) and has been prescribed mefenamic acid, which really seems to help. As an alternative, ibuprofen lysine, which is marketed for migraines, is fast-acting and seems to have similar effects.

The stand out batty thing about that transwoman's period blog is that it puts transwomen and post-hysterectomy women in the same basket. Er, no! Many women retain their ovaries after a hysterectomy (to avoid a cliff-edge medically induced menopause), so would still be following the same hormonal cycle, they just won't bleed any more. As opposed to an imaginary menstrual cycle. Still, if being a woman can be defined as a feeling in your head then it follows that your periods can be too.

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Re. demanding an end to psychiatry but wanting therapy...

Psychiatry and psychology are different disciplines. Psychiatry is based on the medical model, psychiatry takes women's distress at abuse and labels them mad, hysterical. Psychology (in theory) tries to actually look at their experiences.

There's quite a lot of us who would like an end to psychiatry, and increased access to psychology/therapy. Wouldn't be surprised if the transwacktivists get it, whilst the rest of us struggling with complex trauma continue to be dismissed...

Batshit absolutely batshit.

Lancelottie im sorry you and your DD are going through this.

My periods were the same as a teen However i was at high school in the mid/late 80s when they were allowed to give out painkillers.

I had hideous really really painful periods as a teenager and I have to say that once I had my first child something happened in my body and I've never had painful periods ever after. My grandma told me that she used to suffer with such painful periods when she was a teen and again the same thing happened to her when she had her first child.

In fact my period went from super massively crampy horrendous awful to not even being able to tell when I'm about to come on which is an absolute bonus. I'm right at the end of them now thank goodness and they seem to be getting more frequent which is a bit of a nuisance. Every 24 days without fail. Bring on the menopause!

Buttery their aims might be more modest but they still tweeted support for the violence at Speaker's Corner, and stand by violence as an effective 'tool' for dealing with transphobia.

Maria Miller MP doesn't seem to know the difference between sex and gender, which is fairly fecking crucial if you're intending to implement changes to the gender identity bill. There's already a considerable amount of info on this available, here and elsewhere - Janice Turner's articles inc an interview with Maria Miller at the end of July are worth a read, also Helen Saxby's piece on men in women's prisons.

The reforms to the GIB are being consulted on again now so please please please, if you can, read up on this, be aware of what the changes will really mean and badger your MP to present your views and concerns to Maria Miller.

Datun your post at 9.49, absolutely agree.

."We demand the right to multiple surgeries, including reversal of previous surgeries if desired, so that we do not have to fear regret."

Good with having your penis sewn back on, or your womb put back in.

I know! Totally divorced from any sense of reality.

@Lancelottie - epsom salts baths, a good cupful in her bath at least once a week and soak for 30 minutes or more. This has actually worked wonders for my heavy painful periods. Something to do with magnesium and skin absorption? Anyway worth a try.

Also reusable sanitary products have definitely made a difference to mine. Moon cup made them lighter and shorter when I used it regularly (unfortunately a 10lb baby and associated damage has put paid to my use of it) but washable pads have also seemed to help somewhat.

This link in Chat is very good. As Chat disappears you may want to take a look

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3041586-Robert-Webb-peep-show-has-just-terfed-all-over-twitter?watched=1&msgid=72127639#72127639

There is a fabulous link to the fourth wave now link is amazing. Really links to so many other relevant things from one post.

4thwavenow.com/2016/12/17/a-mums-voyage-through-transtopia-helps-her-daughter-desist/

It's called 'A mum’s voyage through Transtopia: A tale of love and desistance'

There is also an interesting link which is...

aeon.co/essays/the-idea-that-gender-is-a-spectrum-is-a-new-gender-prison

That Aeon essay is very good.

The author had also written a piece for the conversation on the problems of self-identification. Her position on gender appears to be pretty much the same as mine.

It bet she's had all sorts of shit in academic feminism though.

We demand resources for hair removal anywhere on our bodies, and the option of local anesthetic during these procedures.

And yet when it's just women that are socially pressured and shamed into removing hair from an early age (there's a thread on MN right now about a 7-year-old girl with hairy legs), well, those bitches can pay for it themselves!

(That entire manifesto is utterly batshit.)

I just had a flashback to that ghastly India Willoughby castigating women for having body hair on Woman's Hour - you know, the interview that brought TRA hellfire and damnation raining down on Jenni Murray.

Would that be India Willoughby who reckoned s/he could do a better job of womanning than Jenni Murray and therefore ought to be presenting Woman's Hour in her place? And who somewhat missed that point that not all little girls dreamed of being princesses and not all women want societal pressure to 'look their best'?

Talk about mansplaining femininity...

And the same India Willoughby who said Jenni Murray was a dinosaur and could do with a makeover.

And they say it's not regressive...