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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TRANS HEALTH MANIFESTO

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ALittleBitOfButter · 20/09/2017 22:35

I'm choking on my porridge. This Trans Health manifesto is...just...gosh.

I've only skim read it but they don't seem to have included Female Genital Mutilation on their list of bad things done to bodies. Interesting!

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/trans-health-manifesto/#more-10439

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Butterymuffin · 21/09/2017 09:53

Have Action for Trans Health got this on their main website, whatever that is?

This is the kind of thing journalists should be contacting them about. Could anyone alert Janice Turner to this?

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 09:55

Indeed, this is like the government (in their rush to be right on) inviting Britain First to be a key player in shaping immigration policy.

Blanchefleur · 21/09/2017 09:58

I'm Shock and Grin at the thought that this is actually for real!

There will be no clinics, and no authorities...We demand nothing less than the total abolition of the clinic, of psychiatry, and of the medical-industrial complex.

Yet, in the same breath they DEMAND counselling & and any other therapies we choose along with drop-in endocrinology clinics, where we can seek the advice of a consultant if we wish. How's that going to happen then, when the clinics, psychiatrists and authorities have all been abolished?

I can help out with one thing though. We demand resources for hair removal anywhere on our bodies. I can take them to Boots and show them where the razors and Veet products are. Surprised they've not noticed them before now, really.

Butterymuffin · 21/09/2017 10:01

Having now found what appears to be the main Action for Trans Health site, their aims are, let's say, considerably more modest than those in the manifesto:

actionfortranshealth.org.uk/about/

I do wonder what is going on with the Edinburgh blog.

Blanchefleur · 21/09/2017 10:02

Have Action for Trans Health got this on their main website, whatever that is?

Have just tried to look it up and got the message this site may be hacked, so haven't opened the site.

Datun · 21/09/2017 10:04

The only people they would be worried about hacking their site are feminists though.

nauticant · 21/09/2017 10:05

How's that going to happen then, when the clinics, psychiatrists and authorities have all been abolished?

Much in the same way that the purging of the kulaks led to endless food for all.

Backingvocals · 21/09/2017 10:07

Hold up. These people were asked to give evidence to a parliamentary committee? How in God's name did that happen?

I'd be tempted to say this needs to be circulated to the clerk to that committee and all the members to highlight that an error was made here. These people make claims in favour of violence and anarchy. They should not be permitted this sort of hearing.

Are sensible trans people aware of this nonsense in their name ?

MissHavishamsleftdaffodil · 21/09/2017 10:20

Buttery the Edinburgh group are from what I understand a branch of the central AFTH, and this is on the Edinburgh group's website. Someone has mentioned this may be a submission being put forward in response to a consultation in progress. It was the central AFTH team who gave evidence to the parliamentary committee.

Datun · 21/09/2017 10:22

If you want to add your voice to this, the next meeting, following on from speakers corner, has been arranged in Brighton.

"PRESS RELEASE FOR BRIGHTON. PLEASE DM US FOR TIME AND DATE OF DABATE NOW IF YOU NEED TO ARRANGE CHILDCARE ETC. (WE ARENT RELEASING IT TO THE PUBLIC JUST YET) AND PLEASE SPREAD THIS FAR AND WIDE TO JOURNOS ETC

Debate Not Hate: We Need To Talk About Gender
New GRA Discussion planned to coincide with Labour Party Conference and Momentum World Transformed in Brighton

A recent event discussing the proposed changes to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act became newsworthy after it was violently opposed by trans activists. The incident was reported in several major online and hard copy publications including The Times, The New Statesman, The Mail on Sunday, The Mirror and The Sun. Liberal broadsheets have yet to publish any articles or commentary on this assault to free speech.

The original event, titled ‘What is Gender? The GRA and Beyond’, was scheduled to take place at New Cross Learning, a community-run library in South-East London. It was set up by a small group of local women to address concerns around how the legislation affects the rights of women and girls. Specifically that the proposed changes would:

  • enable anyone to self-ID their gender, and change their legal status and official documentation without medical checks and without necessarily “transitioning” in any other way
  • lower the age of consent for legally changing gender from 18 to 16
  • conflate the legal definitions of “sex” and “gender” and therefore render “sex” meaningless, creating serious implications for the rights of women and girls.
  • remove or diminish exemptions in the Equality Act designed to protect single-sex spaces, services and genuine occupational requirements.

Dr Julia Long, a feminist academic, and Miranda Yardley, a gender critical transexual, were booked to speak in opposition to the proposed changes. Two representatives from LGBT charity Stonewall, Bex Stinson and a colleague, were confirmed to speak in favour, but both pulled out at at late notice citing “personal reasons”. Invitations were offered to around 20 other trans activists and public figures to defend the proposals, but all declined.

The organisers decided to go ahead with the event, but were forced to re-advertise it as a discussion rather than a debate. Trans activists then began calling publicly for the venue to refuse to host to the event, as well telephoning, emailing and visiting the library in person to demand they cancel. The venue eventually capitulated to this pressure the day before the event, due to “safety concerns”. A new central London venue was hastily found but it was decided not to release details publicly, in order to avoid further harassment by trans activists. Instead, organisers announced they would meet at Speaker’s Corner in Hyde Park before going on to the new venue.

A group of trans activists then protested at Speaker’s Corner, and three of them violently assaulted a 60-year woman who was there to attend the talk. After the attackers fled and police had been informed, the new venue address was secretly disseminated in an attempt to avoid further violence or harassment, but the trans activists followed women in small groups to the new venue and tried to force their way in. When they were prevented by staff, they continued to protest outside, chanting loudly until police were called and local residents complained. As a result, the venue were forced to cut the discussion short with no time for a Q&A as planned.

Footage of the attack at Speakers' Corner - which is now under investigation by police - soon circulated online. Rather than outright condemn the violence, many individual trans activists and even trans and LGBT organisations, refused to do so, with a significant number justifying it and even calling for more violence towards women, using the misogynist slur “TERF”. Trans activism has a long history of suppressing debate and no-platforming speakers who are gender-critical, but the violence at Speakers’ Corner and the subsequent online outpouring of violent and hateful rhetoric towards women marks a watershed moment.

In response, the women involved in this event have formed a campaign group called Mayday to urgently address the need for open debate about the rights of women and girls. They have received many messages of support and offers of help from women and men across the country, and around the world - particularly from the US, Canada and Ireland where the conflict between trans activism and free speech is already a serious issue.

In a refusal to be silenced by the anti-democratic tactics of trans activists, they have scheduled another event in Brighton to debate the GRA, which will take place to coincide with the Labour Party Conference. We will publicly announce the exact date and location of the debate on Saturday 23rd September. They wish to issue an open invitation to trans activists, LGBT organisations, politicians or anyone else who is willing to defend the proposed changes. Anyone interested in doing so should contact
[email protected] or contact @GraDiscussion.

Debate Not Hate: We Need To Talk About Gender.
Brighton
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GladAllOver · 21/09/2017 10:30

The first step towards a fascist state is to shut down free discussion. It seems these extremists understand that very well.

ALittleBitOfButter · 21/09/2017 10:34

I take your point spaghetti about FGM being a non-medicalised practice.

However it IS apparently caused by British colonialism, according to one of those garbled Everyday Feminism articles. Because white feminists are to blame for everything! I can't remember the rationale, but the argument was that white feminists are not allowed to oppose it because they caused it. Or something. And it's islamophobia to oppose it. Or something.

Therefore no one can do any campaigning about it. Must centre the trans instead!

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/09/2017 10:36

Welll....

Errrmmmm

Ok

exexpat · 21/09/2017 10:50

I am assuming the 'manifesto' is satire, as the rest of that blog seems to be gender-critical/radical feminist, and there is no sign of it on the Action for Trans Health website.

exexpat · 21/09/2017 10:54

...because if it is not satire, I would be interested to know how an orchiectomy can be reversible. Would there be a freezer full of cryogenically preserved bollocks somewhere to be reattached if anyone had second thoughts?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/09/2017 10:57

Gendertrender didn't make this up. The original is linked in WeeWitch's post this morning at around 7.20am.

HornyTortoise · 21/09/2017 10:58

..because if it is not satire, I would be interested to know how an orchiectomy can be reversible. Would there be a freezer full of cryogenically preserved bollocks somewhere to be reattached if anyone had second thoughts?

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JassyRadlett · 21/09/2017 11:08

It's certainly... comprehensive.

Dismantle capitalism and borders, and free waxing with anaesthesia while you're about it.

Christ, might be worth self-identifying for a painfree leg and bikini wax....

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:12

It's unclear where that 'manifesto'has come from.
Surely it's simply the lone ravings of a very confused/unwell person.

No serious organisation would produce or endorse that load of extremist nonsense and if it did so, it would lose all credibility surely.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:12

Sadly, it's not made up. Here is their original post on tumblr.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/amp

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:12

Agree about the waxing

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:15

I would be prepared to declare myself a man in return for free waxing under anaesthetic.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:18

Tinycitrus

Have you read the previous posts?

This the same group who organised the highly detailed and strategic attack of the woman at speakers corner. They got the previous venue shutdown. They rang round every LGBT organisation to prevent them from condemning the violence.

Furthermore they were consulted on the original transgender equality bill, spearheaded by Maria Miller, the erstwhile head of the women and equalities Parliamentary committee. Their names are on it.

But this

Surely it's simply the lone ravings of a very confused/unwell person

Is spot on. Apart from the fact they're not lone ravings.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:31

My view is that there may be a wide range of views within this particular group which don't necessarily translate into a group's official policy. I'm really shocked if this manifesto is the standard of 'debate' for this group.

And - having looked at the main site - this group's attempts to close down discussions and prevent people from expressing personal views, especially through use of violence is shameful.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:32

Tinycitrus

They've got several different regions covered. I agree, one of them could have just gone rogue. But I haven't seen any of the other regions refuting it.