Dove transgender ad #realmoms are men!

[Usui101]

Start the rant:

[Datun]

It's not that this advert was particularly offensive. It's the premise.

Men cannot be mothers. It changes the meaning of the word mother. And father, for that matter.

[Terfinator]

Just to clarify, the women in the adverts are not actors/models?

[Datun]

Terfinator

It doesn't look like it.

[TinselTwins]

And no I'm not trans, or on the band wagon. I just find the outrage and anger at grown adults decisions and the assumptions that nobody can be or should be accepting of those situations astonishing.

Society is attempting to be inclusive

You think the type of transactivism dove has hopped on board with is inclusive ????
It excludes/silences/erases/displaces lesbians, trans men (biological women who are trans) and biological women.

But hey, if you think reaching out to white western men to make sure that they are included in movements that are supposed to make minority visibility a priority, you're free to support that I guess

[Batteriesallgone]

They would have been better off leaving out the crap about not being just a mum and having other things that define you, which is just another way of telling most women they probably aren't good enough and all the crap ARE YOU BACK TO NORMAL YET? LOST THE BABY WEIGHT YET? STOPPED WHINGING ABOUT SLEEP YET? YOURS WASNT THE FIRST HUMAN BABY EVER YOU KNOW bollocks shite that people like to spout at mums who are just trying to get on top of having a family (me, sensitive much? )

They would have been better focusing on #realparents with a theme along the lines of no matter who you are or your situation, a #realparent is one who knows what bath stuff their baby uses, what time their bath is, how frequently they need moisturising, how much nappy free time they get/need etc. A #realparent does skin to skin in the bath. Etc.

Because somebody in advertising, at some point, needs to admit babies are boring and hard work. And the #realparents are the ones that actively engage with the drudgery.

[TinselTwins]

They would have been better off leaving out the crap about not being just a mum and having other things that define you

yeah it was like the san pro ads: "don't just have a period, have a rock climbing, DJing, road tripping, white jeans wearing period"!

It was "have it all" bollocks
It's more than enough to just do the boring business of just keeping your small infant alive!

[BetsyM00]

Just seen on twitter that the man in this photo is the transwoman in the Dove ad:

[Floggingmolly]

So, the full works. Beard, moustache, (penis presumably?).
Just like old Mother Hubbard herself.

[OlennasWimple]

I'm a bio and an adoptive mum, and I never ever use the phrase "real mum" because in the adoption world it's a very loaded term. Another reason why the Dove campaign is shit

[OlennasWimple]

I'm enjoying the Twitter response to the ad though: here

[cuirderussie]

Why can't he just be a crossdressing dad like the one I know who cheerfully accompanies his kids to Saturday activities wearing lipstick and a tasteful jumper dress? Or a stay at home dad like my big hairy husband was for a couple of years when our kids were tiny? Why is he calling himself a mom? He can fuck off, this makes me angrier the more I think about it

[BigDeskBob]

"Why can't he just be a crossdressing dad"

Because that won't give them enough attention.

[Terfinator]

He's quite a handsome bloke, but an odd-loooking woman! He should stick with the man look really...

[Datun]

According to Gendertrender there was a man called Brooke Addison whose girlfriend became pregnant. He then transitioned to female when she was vulnerable. She split up with him and he detransitioned. He did the same thing three times. Friends and family of the women posted on social media about it.

I can find links to him, but not to the scandal - the websites remain but they are empty. But GT is usually fairly reliably informed.

If you accept the studies that say almost all transwomen who remain attracted to women have a degree of AGP, it takes on a far more sinister light.

[GuardianLions]

datun that's disturbing. On another thread someone spoke about how AGPs have 'affairs' with themselves.
When you think about how a lot of men have their first affair and DV frequently begins during his partner's pregnancy - it does seem sinister...

[MrsDustyBusty]

It's a funny extention of the trend for saying "we're pregnant".

You some men, the idea that they're not the driver of an important event in their life is simply intolerable.

[fruitlovingmonkey]

Yes, ironically Dove seem to have represented the reality of motherhood for some women. Sitting quietly in the background while some domineering bloke takes the credit for their emotional and physical labour.

[CaoNiMartacus]

Reminds me of a male acquaintance of mine, who started a Twitter account for his unborn daughter, and "Tweeted" using her "voice" from the womb.

[Datun]

Today 08:24 fruitlovingmonkey

Yes, ironically Dove seem to have represented the reality of motherhood for some women. Sitting quietly in the background while some domineering bloke takes the credit for their emotional and physical labour.

Very astute !

[whowantsadog]

So this just popped up on my Facebook feed. Apparently criticism of the ad is "absurd".

[JigglyTuff]

Is the uncredited comment from this thread? http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/16/doves-young-moms-campaign-featuring-trans-woman-faces-absurd-criticism/

[JigglyTuff]

LOL me too

[BigDeskBob]

In all of the press about this, I haven't seen any mention of the mothers name - she seems to be only credited as 'Shea's female partner'.

[whowantsadog]

I thought that Jiggly