Transgender women ...

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... are men who have chosen to identify as trans women, that is people who to a greater or lesser degree adopt the cultural stereotypes generally associated with biological women.

It may be that many of these stereotypes are not in fact displayed by biological women (such as make-up, long hair and dresses).

Some transgender women take female hormones

Some transgender women also seek cosmetic surgery which includes feminising of faces, breast surgery and removal of the penis, although, contrary to common thought, only a very small minority of transgender women undergo this procedure.

Irrespective of the number of measures taken by an individual, at no point does a transgender woman cease being a biological male.

It is right and proper that transgender women are treated as equal human beings with equal rights. But as they remain biologically male that does not include access to women's only spaces such as refuges, changing rooms, prisons or women's sports.

None of the above should be in the least bit controversial.

In America, where they have to pay for it and the inequality there makes coming up with $10,000-30,000 quite difficult for a group of people who tend to struggle with employment.

Unless you are Jenner, Jazz or Chaz. And even then it has to tie in with a reality show. Chaz Bono is never going to be man of the year on the cover of any magazine.

It's neo liberalism gone mad.

Yes Choc such a powerful video. You really can feel the love and understanding.

Datun - thanks for that article. It articulates a lot of what's been swirling round my head in the last couple of days about the only transactivist I know - I know several trans women but they aren't activists at all.

The TA is furious much of the time and it's occurred to me that he's gone from being a very uninteresting and dull man to suddenly being feted. He features in in-house magazines on diversity, he's the poster boy/girl for the political group he's involved in to demonstrate how right on they are, he's suddenly listened to. He's reinvented himself as someone that people want to talk to. And no longer is his fetish something shameful and hidden, it's the very impetus behind his newfound fame!

It must be intoxicating.

That's an incredibly moving video, Elendon. What a lucky young woman to be parented by Penny White.

And no longer is his fetish something shameful and hidden, it's the very impetus behind his newfound fame!

This is what is really worrying me. It's the sanitation of a fetish that revolves around women's intimate and biological reality.

Every now and then people try to make paedophilia a sexual orientation.

This is the same thing. There is a vague white washing going on. Seeing someone as a harmless transvestite who enjoys celebrating their wigs, make up and high heels.

When the reality is them furiously masturbating in a stall next to you because it gets their rocks off.

Wow. That video is very disturbing and important. Anyone brave enough, please share on social media. This is all going wrong. As some have said before, I wonder if Big Pharma is behind stoking this trend. Trans >>> lifelong users of drugs and Pharma services >>>>> $$$$$££££$$$.

I hope this is all but a blip in human history and that going forward, women and men will be free to dress and express themselves without having to comply with traditional patriarchal gender stereotypes and without having to mutilate their healthy bodies to escape sexist gender stereotyping and male violence.

With this going on and supported by the medial and MH professions we have totally lost our Western argument against FGM. How can communities be told that FGM is wrong and is child abuse if we allow young children to cut off body parts and take life changing drugs for no medical purpose. It's a bloody scandal.

I wouldn't have anything against men dressing in typically feminine ways provided they don't pretend to be women, which they are not. It's mind boggling.

The TA is furious much of the time and it's occurred to me that he's gone from being a very uninteresting and dull man to suddenly being feted. He features in in-house magazines on diversity, he's the poster boy/girl for the political group he's involved in to demonstrate how right on they are, he's suddenly listened to. He's reinvented himself as someone that people want to talk to. And no longer is his fetish something shameful and hidden, it's the very impetus behind his newfound fame!

Yes, you have nailed it.

Thank you for your on going collecting and sharing of these articles and videos.

As a teacher I feel I need to be prepared for the next time we deal with this - we have already done so, all was dealt with well and the child is now happy in their gay body - but it would have been good to have known more of the theory and facts behind this.

The facts are - society and its stereotyping of gender, society and its misogyny, and society and its sexual objectivisation of women and, the brand new issue of, society and its celebrity trans people.

The facts are - society and its stereotyping of gender, society and its misogyny, and society and its sexual objectivisation of women and, the brand new issue of, society and its celebrity trans people.

Well said. Gender stereotyping is very definitely at the root of a lot of it, particularly when girls transition. Males transitioning has a more sexual undercurrent, in my opinion. Not always, but often. But yes, that too is connected to gender stereotyping otherwise they would have nothing to fixate on.

I would like to understand better how gender dysphoria starts.

datun I can't help wonder if Grayson nailed it in his recent documentaries - I only saw a bit but when he commented on how the group of transvestite men would have all been overly masculinised as children - they agreed, over bearing fathers etc.

So society's man up attitude towards young boys could be also to blame. Steve Biddulph has written about the effects of this on boys.

And I do blame tv advertising hugely.

In the same way it's blamed for depression and anorexia in The Affluenza Virus.

Gender stereotyping is toxic, especially in this age of multi media. How else do companies get their message across? It permeates like a waterfall down to very young children. I can remember this with mine in the late nineties and early 00s. In the end I had to ban them from watching tv with advertising.

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I just had a brief look at some scholarly articles re gender dysphoria, but lost the will to live as I only understood about one word in ten.

Apparently there is some heavy identification with the mother going on. Often because she is absent and it's a separation issue.

For girls is often identifying into masculinity as a means of protection, either for themself or their mother.

The same article said an exceptionally high proportion if left alone will definitely grow up to be gay. Which sort of implies that homosexuality is also an identification issue...

It also said that puberty blockers interfere with the natural progression of coming to terms with one's sexuality.

All the articles talk about comorbid issues and psycho sexual disorders.

I really can't understand how the 'born the wrong body' narrative has been blindly accepted. It's patently nonsense. Even if gender dysphoria does have some kind of neurological or biological explanation, it's a disorder that should not be given extra civil rights.

It certainly shouldn't be the basis of handing over all the hard-won rights of women.

Does anyone remember the family court case, at the end of last year, when a 7yo boy was removed from his mothers care and placed with his father, in part due to the mother claiming he was trans when he wasn't? I've been sent a link to a gofundme for legal fees so she can appeal, it's being shared around on all the same incorrect assumptions that were doing the rounds when the case was in the press last time. An man who produces trans porn has given a very generous £100 donation.

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Let her appeal. The more this is held up to scrutiny, the better.

Gallavich "I am aware that MM's gender bill has been kicked into the long grass but in reality it is already being applied." To you say more about the bill, PM me if you prefer, I've been trying to work out what is happening with this?

Often because she is absent and it's a separation issue.

How much of an absence/ separation? I find this difficult in a way as so many children's mothers work ft or they're in care.

It must be a myriad of factors. With the one child I know, the mother was instrumental in helping them through and supporting their interests. This child was also later dx with asd. The pink stuff was a definite 'special interest' just as I've taught those with a huge special interest in trains, mario and lifts.

Unless it's the lack of a mother to help them explore things safely and retain their identity.

The video linked below (I've watched parts of as ds interrupted) repeatedly talked about the pressures of adverts, stereotypes and natural teen feelings of not fitting in. Exacerbated imo hugely by social media these days. I succumbed to finding fake book hard in terms if making me feel I wasn't living the right kind of life a few years ago.

makes me worried as my son has separation anxiety with me a lot!

There WAS a whole host of other issues VIOLET sorry if I have inadvertently worried you. Thousands of kids get separation anxiety, they don't turn out to be trans (mine included).

I'm not in position to check which link I read at the moment, but I will check later and see if I can post it.

In any event, the overwhelming opinion was to just let kids get on with it as they grow out of it. (it cited something like 98%).

Identifying with the opposite gender seems to be a normal part of child development.

My last child had severe separation anxiety (he is autistic) and he's not trans.

I've been wondering recently about the possible impact of porn. We talk a lot on here about how violent and degrading a lot of m/f porn is and indeed I know men who watch f/f porn to get away from that. Ivery been wondering if some men feel revulsion at m/f porn and love f/for porn, and feel confused why they don't get aroused by "mens porn" so assume they must be "lesbians".
I think it could stem from a subconscious rejection of toxic masculinity - but rather than see that the reason they don't like m/f porn is that it's not ok and is violent and degrading, they think there's something wrong with them.
I started thinking this after reading a lot of sites linking the upsurge in mtf trans to porn usage, particularly anime and hentai

But het porn people who love it have always been disgusted at lesbian porn. Not so much the gay porn. Plus anal sex is a thing now in het relationships (and in lesbian porn too, if you believe that shit).

One man I dated post divorce said to me he couldn't believe I didn't have a dildo. this was a headteacher of a secondary school

There's plenty of m/f porn that is not violent or degrading, nor involves anal, so I'm not sure your theory stands up, Quentin

There was a poster on FWR a few years ago who used to work on a sex line and had a very similar experience with AGP callers. I think she's still here under a different name.

It's ok Datun! I do think it's very normal. And to start to be aware of their own sex quite young. I remember my son being aware very young that he was a boy and wouldn't be able to bf (he bf to 3.5) so handed his dolls to me to bf. He said this to me around age 2. But he didn't tune into gender stereotypes (toys, colours, Disney princesses) till older, around 3. So I think all this evolves very early, what is accepted, communicated and 'allowed' or discussed is going to have some sort of impact!

An man who produces trans porn has given a very generous £100 donation.

Well gee whizz ... How generous of him! No ulterior motives there /sarcasm.