Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

[ArcheryAnnie]

Just saw this video by Magdalen Berns on twitter, answering all the bollocks about lesbians needing to learn to want to date transwomen, and if they don't get over their aversion to dick then they are totally just like racists. (Spoiler alert: Magdalen Berns doesn't think so.) It really cheered me up, not just with the excellent arguments, but with the deadpan attitude.

With thanks and a hat-tip to Miranda Yardley for linking to it!

I just wanted to comment as I lead a very dull (not complaining!) life, and stumbled across trans discussions via Mumsnet. Have a few lesbian and gay friends but the subject of trans has never really come up in conversations. Not sure if this is because it doesn't touch either of our lives, all being in very long term relationships etc. Anyway, I watched this clip, and have watched another hours worth of Magdelen Burns clips in fascination. Cannot comprehend how the powers that be are so blinkered by this movement...she talks absolute sense and I am truly worried for future children especially. How a child who is more than likely to be a tomboy etc can now end up taking a cocktail of drugs is terrifying.

I believe so long as you do not impose or hurt others than live your life however you wish..but this movement is setting us back so far.

Sorry, I have no personal experience to add just felt I had to comment as a dull nobody out here, this is just bizarre. As Magdelen says, a woman is an adult female human. End of.

Making a lesbian feel she has to entertain a transwoman so she doesn't get labeled a bigot - this is horrific and such a backward step for women everywhere.

Sorry, I am just appalled and wanted to state my support.

Hiya, SlowSwimmingMom. Can't speak for anyone else but I too am a dull nobody. All the best people are.

Some of things they say are delusional. I'm a member of a Facebook group, which is directly unrelated to lgbt stuff but a lot of people are. I had a minor discussion in there as someone said it was transphobic if you're not attracted to trans people and I disagreed, I didn't even put over my full opinion just a more general one and some of the stuff they come out with. The person wasn't a mtt, I think they were ftt, though they were only talking in mtt terms. This is a direct quote from the main person disagreeing. "there are plenty of trans people who are on hormones, have gotten top and bottom surgery, and who 1000% pass as cis so none of these points are valid lmao."

It's pretty tame compared to some stuff I've read but they genuinely believed that fully transitioning makes someone no different than someone biologically born to that sex. I truly despair at times. I'm 22 and I'm so glad I realised really early on that I'm a lesbian, as now it's so confusing for some as the amount of terms, both for sexual orientation and gender, they use is ridiculous. I feel very sorry for a lot of would be lesbians that don't want to identify with it because of the trans activists.

There is also this outrage over the question of whether a trans person has had surgery. It doesn't matter, it's rude to ask, etc. If it doesn't matter, then what's the problem?

Of course it matters! You may get a small section of society who, whilst they wouldn't sleep with a pre-op, might do with a post op. But most people would like to know before the lights are dimmed and you are both unbuttoning your frocks.

But you're right rio. Having plastic surgery to alter the appearance of your genitals is just that. You can't change sex.

And yes, it deceitful, purposely so.

" I have a friend who is a woman now but she still has her penis"

Sorry, in what way is she a woman?

Someone who has a penis, is a man.

A penis in a mammal, is only ever attached to a male of the species, except in very rare cases of intersex. I'm not even sure intersex exists in species other than human (how would we know if they did? how would the other animals in that species know?) but in humans it does but it's vanishingly rare.

So how is someone with a penis, a woman? How does that even work?

Hi, SlowSwimmingMom! I, too am finding it amazing what kind of bollocks we are being expected to swallow (and like it, and be grateful for it), which is why that Magdalen Berns video cheered me up so much.

Someone posted in one of the lesbian reddits that they're tired of straight men not respecting lesbian relationships. There's quite a few comments in support, they all seem to be by lesbians rather than mtt lesbians (though I've not looked at each individual commenters Reddit), they seem to be staying out of it. If straight men were replaced by mtt then there would be outrage. Yet more ridiculousness, if it's so bad for straight men to do it then it should be the same for mtt people.

Yes. Or, to be fair, a rapist trait.

I do think that in many areas; prostitution, porn, one nights stands even, a lot of men really aren't bothered about the enjoyment of women. Or actual consent for that matter. Many more men than women don't care if their partner is having a good time. The male orgasm is the 'goal' and the orgasm gap for women is large.

So it follows that the MTT not caring if the lesbians they want to have sex with is enjoying or wanting it is a very male attitude. Sex is about a penis ejaculating and nothing else.

I'll always remember being told off by a lesbian in a gay bar who hit on me. I said, "sorry I'm straight" and spent the next few minutes being told not to apologize for myself or my sexuality! Not an experience that has ever happened with the larger number of men who've tried it on over the years. Because she actually thought that consent was important.

So the law currently supports your right to only want sexual activity with a particular sex of partner.

Yes, but homophobic trans advocacy group Stonewall are trying to change that.

Sorry posted too soon. The clipping above is from the draft of their latest trans rights report.

It's one thing to change your mind at the last minute, with a naked female. It's quite another when you are suddenly confronted with a man and an erection.

It's one thing to change your mind at the last minute, with a naked female. It's quite another when you are suddenly confronted with a man and an erection.

Maybe so, but I thought he whole point about consent is that we can say no or change our minds at any point, if that's what we want.

Absolutely aging.

Which makes me wonder why the TRAs are so keen on an agenda which says disclosure of whether they have a male or female set of genitals shouldn't be necessary.

Informed consent isn't informed at all if you're deliberately misled about the sex of your partner. Except in the trans ideology where that is deemed irrelevant.

A lot of this whole "you're so hung up on genitals" thing is so rapey.

venus

agreed. I'm constantly amazed how women don't see the utter maleness of all this

You are all cheering me up immensely. And Magdalen Berns is a hero, so brave, I love her attitude.

Great video.
Im very understanding of people being trans but think that transactivism had gone too far.

Lesbians- women who like women (no dicks)
Gay - men who like men (dicks)
Bisexual - men&women who are happy either way
Straight - men who like women and vice versa (men with dick)

There used to be a time when there was a clear difference between someone being a transvestite by dressing as the opposite sex and transgenser where they've transitioned. Even now I'm entirely open to people living as the 'opposite' gender in preparation for their transition if tbey really do feel like theyre in the wrong body (not going to judge)

But what a lot of these transactivists cant seem to get their brains around is there's a massive difference between a pre&post op trans person. E.g. a trans woman who has boobs, no penis and now has a vagina is VERY different to trans "i feel like a woman want to dress like a woman but i want to keep my penis and cry when lesbians don't like me" aka male transvestite.

By all means, dress and identify however you see fit, but dont start saying that people who arent into dick are being mean to you. It's their sexual orientation!

Transwomen never have vaginas.

They have inverted penises which are hollowed out to act as a "front hole" as they call it, but they are not vaginas.

A vagina isn't a hole, it's an organ which actually does stuff in the body and is connected to other body bits.

An inverted penis won't do what a vagina does.

It's not like getting your liver to take over your gall-bladder function. If you have your gall-bladder removed, your liver will simply take over the task your gall bladder used to do. But if you have never had a vagina to begin with, inverting your penis will not make it take over the functions and actions of a vagina.

I agree that there's a difference between a man who has had an op to give him an approximation of women's genitals. But they are not women's genitals, they simply don't function the way real women's genitals do.

Sorry I meant to say there's a difference between someone who has bothered to have an op and someone who hasn't.

There's a difference between a penis and an inverted penis.

askbasil
Sorry, that's my lazy expression in my first post.
I know exactly what you mean biologically.
My main point is that I can understand why someone interested in women may make a big distinction between someone who has the physical form of female genitals and someone who claims to be a women with a penis. I can see why a lesbian may consider dating a post-op trans female but would never in a million years consider dating a man with a penis dressed as a women.

So if we were willing to have sex with one man, we were willing to have sex with anyone, so why not them. Entitlement, in the base sense

And that's basically why rape has such poor conviction rates. Women have to prove that they didn't want to have sex with that particular man - which is why they bring a woman's sexual history into it - after all, if she's had casual sex with other men, why wouldn't she have casual sex with this man. The fact that she's saying 'I didn't want to have casual sex with this man' seems to be judged to not be enough! The double standards drive me crazy.

Even that case, where the woman was prosecuted for having sex whilst pretending to be a man - in that case, of course the victim was believed, because she's heterosexual, so why would she want to have sex with a woman. Yet, when it's a woman saying that she wouldn't voluntarily have sex with that bloke in a million years, it's disbelieved, because why?

Because why? Because the basic premise they are starting from is male entitlement to use women's bodies.

If I met a man who had lost his genitals in an accident, I wouldn't view him as NotAMan and I certainly wouldn't view him as a woman.
If I met a man with gynaecomastia I wouldn't view him as NotAMan and I wouldn't view him as a woman.
Losing body parts does not affect one's sex a single iota. Nor does gaining or losing breast tissue.
Whilst I can recognise the extremes to which a post op MTT has gone to modify his body to attempt to resemble something female, I don't see this as A-for-effort and concede that femaleness has somehow been earned.

I suppose I'm saying I don't see a difference between pre and post op MTT. They're all just males.