Brilliant video reponse to the horrible "lesbians need to learn to love dick" argument

[ArcheryAnnie]

Just saw this video by Magdalen Berns on twitter, answering all the bollocks about lesbians needing to learn to want to date transwomen, and if they don't get over their aversion to dick then they are totally just like racists. (Spoiler alert: Magdalen Berns doesn't think so.) It really cheered me up, not just with the excellent arguments, but with the deadpan attitude.

With thanks and a hat-tip to Miranda Yardley for linking to it!

So by the same logic am I homophobic because I dont want to sleep with a woman just because of her genitals?

Or am I just sexist??

Nobby

Good point!

Hetsexist?

I honestly just googled that to see if it was a real word. I don't think it is, but I give it six months.

No, a woman can have a poor surgical replica of a penis. Cheers for link, I'll take a look later.

I am very skeptical regarding whether they will truly stick to their "you have a right to say no" claims if that actually happens.

Like, when a lesbian tells a MtT "Sorry, you're not my type", as she would a lesbian she doesn't fancy, would he really just accept that and leave ... or would he throw a tantrum and accuse her of transphobia because that is clearly the only reason why she would not fancy his lovely self?

Also, this whole shit is a display of privilege and of not really caring who they stick their dicks into.

I most certainly would never, never, never, ever try to persuade a misogynist to have sex with me. Because I am a woman and sex is not about me shoving my dick into someone and having all the power, I would not want a person who hates me in my bed. No, not even a "benevolent" sexist.

There once was a misogynist who boasted on the internet that he'd never have sex with a feminist
The reaction to this? Roaring laughter.
Exactly zero people told him that he should stick his dick into a feminist to prove that he's not a feministphobe, or whatever. Feminists were glad he'd stay the hell away from us.

If trans really feared violence from "transphobic" lesbians, or feminists, or, really, any woman at all, this trying to get lesbians to accept their dicks would be the very last thing they'd ever want to do.

"I once said on another subreddit that 'I don't mind penis' and got jumped on for being trans phobic because I was 'saying that penis = male'. Except that wasn't what I meant at all. Because a man can have a penis and a woman can have a penis."

Clever attempt to use their own logic against them, but not clever enough, as she expected them to actually stick to their logic, which they don't.

When a lesbian says that sorry, she's just not into dicks, then the twanzwacktivists will suddenly remember the biological facts, just for long enough to get angry at her for rejecting males.
They know that she will be able to discriminate against the transwomen because they know that actual lesbians do not come with surprise dicks.

The entire ideology rests on the fact that trans women are actually women. I've even heard them say they are biologically women.

1. Being accepted socially was fine. Why wouldn't one? There is no real impact.

2. Being accepted legally was an impressive piece of PR over common sense. And it rode roughshod over women's rights. But it's only women, right?

3. Being accepted as a woman sexually is the last bastion. It's impossible to justify it. Having sex is all about the genitals.

Demanding that everyone else colludes in your delusion to the extent that they are expected to deny their sexual orientation is damaging beyond belief.

And it's only happening to women.

Male entitlement, pure and simple.

Ironically.

Biology is a made up social construct, dude.

Yes Raisins, that's exactly it.

As I think I've said on other threads, I was once commenting on the Guardian website on an article a transwoman had written about how angry a man was when the transwoman revealed their lack of female genitals.

Some transactivists and allies on the thread started to push the same line, that heterosexual men are transphobic if they rule out transwomen. As you can imagine it got short shrift, and they didn't push it. It's only women they can gaslight, bully and guilt trip.

Absolutely. Men, gay or straight just laugh and say fuck off. Because it is no threat to them, whatsoever.

So some transman demands sex from a gay or straight man ( not that many of them do). They are simply not in a position to threaten or coerce. It's meaningless to men.

The same way that I don't see any transmen beating natal born men at sport.

In fact it was the trans ideology that first really alerted me to the real inequality in the sexes (I know, bad feminist).

It just served to highlight for me what the actual difference is and what it means.

In fact it was the trans ideology that first really alerted me to the real inequality in the sexes (I know, bad feminist).

Better that way round than starting out as feminist and forgetting all about it when the trans ideology came along - as many seem to have done.

Women who were aware of the inequality before trans ideology came along had to willfully shut off their brains to convince themselves that MtT are just as oppressed as actual women.

I can get not noticing the sexism in society as long as you don't feel it directly, but knowing about it and then wilfully switching off one's brain ... that, I cannot understand.

Vestal

I didn't see it as sexism, I saw it as injustice.

I've always had a very strong sense of fairness. (It's annoying on the one hand, because I see both sides of a story).

But it dawned on me that the injustice I was seeing was gendered.

It was a lightbulb moment in every sense of the word.

And I agree. I have no idea how you can start as a feminist and then centre men because they tell you to! I just don't get it.

I read something interesting about that phenomenon on FB the other day.

Someone said something along the lines of drinking the trans kool-aid is reconciling cognitive dissonance; the message that women are nurturing, put there to service men emotionally, sexually, physically and look after them and also that they need male approval to be real women; and at the same time the message that they are strong and sassy and rebellious and anti-establishment and part of the future.

I am paraphrasing and not sure if I got that quite right, but can't find the post now. I think there's something in that.

It's so indicative that transactivists don't berate straight men for not wanting to fuck biological men who identify as women, or gay men for not wanting to fuck biological women who identify as men; when Owen Jones, famous lefty boy and defender of everyone's rights everywhere (except those of lesbians) was challenged as to whether he would be prepared to perform cunnilingus on a transman, he went ape-shit about how homophobic that question was.

He totally refused to engage in the issue, that this is exactly what is happening to lesbians in reverse. He just blocked everyone who asked him to engage with the issue of lesbians being called transphobic for not wanting dick.

It's like men can't imagine a scenario, where it isn't sometimes reasonable to force women to have a dick in their sex-life. They just can't imagine that women genuinely have the right to have real boundaries that men don't have the right to tear down in some circumstances. They're mystified by the idea.

It's like men can't imagine a scenario, where it isn't sometimes reasonable to force women to have a dick in their sex-life. They just can't imagine that women genuinely have the right to have real boundaries that men don't have the right to tear down in some circumstances. They're mystified by the idea.

Mystified is a really good word. They genuinely don't get it. And it is that genuine feeling that ropes in the 'funfems'. I think they truly see it as beyond men's comprehension, so they 'deal with the cards that are dealt'. Instead of saying nah, you need to shuffle the pack and try a different set of cards, you make a fucking effort.

Free speech once again being attacked by activists: www.brightonandhovenews.org/2017/02/08/activists-call-for-germaine-greer-appearance-at-international-womens-day-event-to-be-shelved/

God I'm so sick of this fucking shit.

Middle
Bastards! And International Women's Day agrees

It's Germaine Greer ffs. I want to cry. Or punch someone

Look at the comments on the Greer story, though.
All but one anti the protesters.

Germaine Greer is a personal hero of mine, having read the Female Eunuch when I was a young teenager. It fired up some amazing critical thought in me about women and feminism at just the right age. I cannot believe that women's organisations agree with these aggressive transactivists who want her banned and her voice silenced. Of course they can disagree with what she says about trans ideology, but they don't have any right to silence her, or anyone else.

I cannot stand this attitude that understanding biological reality is now not allowed and worse, it's transphobic and hate speech.

Did I ever tell you my GG story? She did a reading and a Q&A in a university in my town nearly 20 years ago while promoting The Whole Woman. She talked about the trans issue quite a lot and at the time it seemed so fringe and abstract. Afterwards I managed to talk to her (with some trepidation, she is rather scary!) and I asked her about that. At the time I was a young mother just finished college so unlike my peers was very interested in the politics of motherhood, it seemed like a more concrete issue that affected women. You mark my words, she said, transexual activists (that's what they were called then) are attacking women's rights and they will continue to do so.

I swear the woman is some kind of seer.