Trans Reaction to the Women's March

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Www.storify.com/katanaoflogic/trans-activists-womens-March

The link is a big collection of how many trans activists responded to the women's March.

I must admit, I've had a good chuckle at some of these!

Fuck me that's depressing.

Cissexist?! Fuck off with that nonsense.

Sigh.

Transwomen were welcomed, they just weren't feted or centred and in a women's march, that just feels fair and as inclusive as it needs to be.

^^ 10000000x

It was Pussypower galore and I feel totally empowered by it.

It is absurd that people who 'identify as woman' are offended by women celebrating their womanhood and marching for the right to keep their 'pussies' safe from greedy interfering male hands.

Shall we all just magic away our wombs and pussies, wish away our female hormones, think away our periods, hide our pregnant bellies, cease to breastfeed in public because it may remind a trans person that they are not biologically female? Are these trans women who feel offended by the march affected by or even interest in Trump's reversals of abortion policy for aid to NGOs? A decision which will lead to the poorest women dying at the hands of illegal abortionists. what diatribe.

I hope we are seeing the beginning of a powerful global women's movement fighting for our rights. Trans people more than welcome but please don't undermine us and distract from our challenges.

God that is so depressing. So women can't talk about their bodies in public? Again.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I think what this march has possibly given gender critical feminists is the means to fight back. There's now a perfectly socially acceptable argument about focusing women's rights on women that hopefully allows us to step back from the tired old bathroom arguments and focus on how positive it is when women come together to reject the abuse of their bodies and reproductive rights.

They can have their twitter tantrums all they like but the focus is now on real life activism and how the hell are they going to point to almost a million women protesting peacefully and inclusively around the world as evidence of transphobia ?. The next person to tell me that I'm transphobic is going to get back overwhelming evidence of what trans petulance is and what women's rights are about and why naming the issue re biology is important without a bloody bathroom or beard being mentioned.

freebeacon.com/culture/white-cis-women-march/

What I want to know is where did hey all get the hats from (I had not realised those hats were pussies!).

A lot of those hats were hand made, Italiangreyhound. Patterns for knitters and sewers have been making the rounds since the idea for the marches began. I didn't go to the march because of some problems I have dealing with crowds, but a lot of my friends went to the Washington march, and I do have a sewing machine.

The Daily Mail has taken examples of the women's march and used it to demonise women.

Piers Morgan has taken examples of the women's march and comments to demonise women.

I'm not sure how you can take examples on the internet and use it to label it as a trans reaction - it seems like you are doing exactly the same as the Daily Mail, Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins and Trump do - take some examples and label it to a whole group.

Just saying.

The march looked great. So empowering. And you can see how there have been people and media groups who have attacked it.

I'm trying hard to take the long view on stuff like this. As PPs have alluded to, I have to file this under the category of "sunlight being the best disinfectant" - the more these views are out there exposing the sexism at the heart of transactivism, the more people have to acknowledge it. I hope. It spells it out pretty clearly: they are saying that women are not permitted to talk about our bodies and their functions by protesting the indignities, restrictions and oppressions that we face due to having those bodies because it hurts the feelings of those who don't share that biology.

Women, shut up! Your bodies are hurting us. Your wants are unreasonable. You must think of others first. Where have we heard this before, hmm?

Cross posted with you, amI - you're correct in that it highlights only the actions of one specific group. I'd categorise that group as anti feminist transactivists, sexists and misogynists hiding their wolf's pelts under the sheep's clothing of a "progressive" cause. I don't think they represent the entirety of trans people, not at all. But they're the ones driving the public narrative, they're the ones working for the lobbying groups that are changing policy, and they're the ones pushing back on women. And I think that needs addressed. I'm not sure how it's misrepresenting anything.

Peachyoghurt's response on YouTube to the TA response

The accusations of transphobia, cissexism etc are so illogical. Nobody said only women can march, nobody said vaginas and uteri are what make you a woman. This reaction is literally in protest at women discussing female bodies. They are making themselves look ridiculous.

What a crock of shit.
So you want to be a woman but want to a.) tell us what it is to BE women b.) deny our Biology c.) deny our oppression in a male centered world and d.) deny us the ability to protest about sexual assault and erosion of women's rights because of your feelings? What about the feelings of the sexually assaulted women? Why do trans feelings get to trump those here? Why do trans feelings now get to trump women's feelings everywhere. When DO we get to talk about vaginas, vulva, pay gap without being accused with what you determine to be a hate crime? Do we now need to start a conversation with our girl friends about periods with "I know not every woman menstruates"?
Which part of being a woman exactly is it that you want to be? Because in my eyes it tends to be the parts where you get to keep your born male privilege whilst talking about clothes.

@amisparticus

I didn't make the website. I found it on Reddit.

Wow!

Have I understood this correctly? Being born with female reproductive organs and admitting having them, using any words to identify them (offensive ones or not), standing up to the prejudice that has always existed against people born with them is transphobia? Are we just supposed to pretend we don't exist,just disappear?

Peachyoghurt is brilliant. I just followed her on Twitter.

Thanks for peachyyoghurt clip. As if we don't have enough battles to fight as it is - I am quite newly aware of this transactivist assault on us. This is pure bullying - bullies always pick on those perceived to be the weakest.

That's more or less it, itwas.

It's the logical conclusion of transactivism - when you tell women that being a woman is a feeling and it can't be reliably correlated with biology, then you can't allow women to freely discuss our biology and what it means, because that exposes the flaws in your position. And here we are. (Note that there is never this amount of debate over "what is a man?" or strenuous efforts to stop discussions of male biology - why should that be...?)

If woman is a feeling, then female biology is irrelevant. Therefore sexism can't exist and women need to STFU. Game over.

we need a way to talk about uteri without centering it in a way that's transphobic

This one finally finished me off.

Totally agree about daylight being the best bleach. Let these hilarious, insane tweets travel the world. Show everyone what the TA agenda actually is.

Do agree with ami

There were probably a fair few trans women on that march

Its the ones hiding behind the internet sniping from the sidelines, i do try and say 'some trans activists' when i have a pop at them

But this thread is about those particular responses on twitter, so my 'load of shit' comments stands.

I am trying to wean myself of the word 'bollocks' while on the feminist board

Actually a trans-woman in Tesco a few months back complimented her on it - which makes it all even more hilarious how they're upset about pink pussy hats now

Why is that hilarious?

I agree re daylight being the best bleach however I do wonder if social media (esp Twitter and Tumblr) are pretty much trans activists zones now? I could not, as it stands right now, speak out about anything of this nature in Twitter for fear of losing my job. A colleague of mine is, in the words of trans activists, a TERF, she spoke about her opinions on the matter of trans excluding women, on Twitter in 2015 and was called out for having committed an "act of violence", threatened with swatting and doxing and had her employer phoned to report her. Luckily our boss doesn't stand for any shit and told them where to go, however the organisation we are a part is of such a nature that if it ever met the press it could merit a scandal.

Are women of all ages who want to discuss anything relating to feminsism or women's bodies now supposed to prefix it (within 140 characters, no less) with a blurb re trans women or just supposed to shut up altogether? Are we now excluded from a new technology which allows us to connect with other people sharing the same ideas? What about younger women for whom social media is a primary form of communication at times? GAH. This drives me wild.