Ched Evans verdict

[FreshwaterSelkie]

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

I don't understand the role of Massey's father in all this. Why is he so invested in ensuring his daughter stays with a man like this? What father - even accepting as we must that legally speaking Evans is not guilty of rape - is so happy that this is the man his daughter wants to be with that he invests hundreds of thousands of pounds in his appeal? And why did he have control over who was present at the interview?

Secondly, this bit of the interview made me shudder: “Rapist to me is a disgusting word,” he says, “Before this happened, I think a rapist is a man who attacks a girl, hurts women, quite a horrific crime… a lot of pain."

Which of those does he not think he is guilty of?

just bumping the petition link (against the future use of this kind of evidence in court)- petition at 14,000+ sigs now petition.parliament.uk/petitions/169433

The treatment of the victim has been despicable from all sides. CE treated her appallingly. He didn't even speak to her at the time, and in his statement following the re-trial he showed no compassion for her persecution on social media, despite the fact that she had never accused him of anything.

But the thing I find most objectionable is the treatment she received in the court room. Rather than protecting the victim, the Law has inflicted further humiliation on her. Why on earth was the 'new evidence', even if it was justifiable in the case, made public? At the very least the court could have put a reporting ban on the details, instead of exposing her sex life to public scrutiny. Everyone seems to have let this woman down, even those who were presumably trying to achieve justice.

Thank you DateLoaf, I've signed the petition and shared it on my social media.

Lass well, quite. Not to be snobby, I know there are some very bright people who don't have a formal education/qualifications. Don't think CE is one of them though.

That's fantastic flippinada
Also on some of these threads PP have been writing to their MP about the use of this evidence.
It's a good direct route to bringing public opinion to MoJ attention- and also reminding our MPs that the voting public have views on this issue, which is all to the good. my MP used to be a lawyer so I am hoping that they will want to be active on this.

posted too soon. I think dominique Strauss Kahn (the former head of the imf who was accused of raping a hotel maid) paid off his victim but made her sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of the settlement I think. She was treated horrifically in the press too.

Argh posting disaster. The first part was me saying how I hated that men can buy their way out of these things.

No need that's a very good point you make on a reporting ban on her sex life. Simply because she had already been victimised and threatened on social murder. The only reason sexual history should be used is if the witness claims she, for example, she doesn't do one night stands but there is substantiated evidence that she does.
That wasn't the case here.

There are men and women on MN who will merrily point out that some women just deserve to be raped. Not in so many words of course, but that's what they mean when they spout off their rape myths.

Mumsnet has a strong We Believe You campaign, and will zap posts if they're victim-blaming or rape-myth-y. And that's why rapists hate Mumsnet. It's always worth a Report.

Rapist to me is a disgusting word,” he says, “Before this happened, I think a rapist is a man who attacks a girl, hurts women, quite a horrific crime… a lot of pain."

I genuinely think they believe a rape is literally "stranger in an alley with a knife to your throat and obvious bruising (because If you didn't try to fight back then you wanted it really)"

How can his in laws honestly believe he is not capable of sex without consent when they know full well he shot his host family's son with an air rifle. Surely that is all the proof you need that he is out of control and has no understanding of appropriate behaviour.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ched-evans-special-report-the-rattlesnake-the-tarantula-and-the-day-evans-took-revenge-on-a-team-9822204.html

The Professional Footballers’ Association’s lawyers handled the settling of a personal injury claim filed on behalf of the son, who was left with a pellet lodged into his groin after the incident.

He really isn't a nasty little bastard. He deliberately shot at that boy's genitals.

Because grate his prior activities and history that demonstrates a pattern of illegal, careless and damaging behaviour that causes other people harm isn't in anyway relevant, duh!

It's how the victim of a sudden attack by an unexpected stranger behaves prior to the incident that matters when considering the attacker's intentions.

It's important to be very fair to the men, you see, and not take give the jury any additional reason to doubt the man is innocent.

Good lord, he really is the most horrible cunt.

Oh god, low boredom threshold? Shooting a kid as well as shooting in the house? No doubt the apologists will blame it on their youth - boys will be boys eh?

Pre-emptive, sadly MNHQ have recently taken to only posting the we believe you campaign page and allowing some really egregious stuff to stand. I report when I see it, but there are still posts on various rape themed threads which to all intents and purposes tell women that if you do X or fail to do X, then rape is your just deserts.

MNHQ don't always delete rape apologist stuff, I'm afraid, even when it's pointed out to them. Someone was goading people who were victims of assault on a recent thread and MN left the posts to stand despite reports.

Yeah. It's shite

The shooting stuff is awful - I didn't know about any of that. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work he sounds.

Is anyone else hoping that CE and his hangers on fade into the obscurity they so richly deserve?

Is anyone else hoping that CE and his hangers on fade into the obscurity they so richly deserve?

Something tells me this guy and his new family will come up smelling of roses. They seem determined not only to clear his name but to keep going until he is a fucking hero for the cause of the falsely accused.

God, I do hope not. I can see how it might happen though.

Do you think he will join with cliff Richard and campaign for anonymity?

Jesus, he is an utter cunt isn't he? Rape conviction or no rape conviction surely no one can deny that he is a horrible person.

Ched Evans endures unhappy return to the pitch as Chesterfield striker is subjected to distasteful chants | Daily Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3863042/Ched-Evans-endures-unhappy-return-pitch-Chesterfield-striker-subjected-distasteful-chants.html

It doesn't say what the chants were. I suspect it was just footballing rivalry rather a heightened conscience which prompted them , but I'm certainly not going to condemn the rival fans.