Ched Evans verdict

[FreshwaterSelkie]

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

It's outrageous that AP is reporting in a national newspaper where the victim is trying to make a new life for herself. Surely reporters have a moral responsibility beyond filling column inches.

AP..morals...hahahahaha

To misquote marble there

Reporters and moral - I'm not sure that's even possible in a sentence

Contradiction in terms i belive that is called carrie

Why did I read that? What a load of fucking bollocks. Why are they trying to garner sympathy for her and him? They're not bloody victims. She'll be on Big Brother or Strictly or something soon.
I cannot cope if the media tries to make these out to be hardworking people who happened to go through a bad patch after a mistake but look at us now type of people.
Her father baffles me - how can he support Evans?

Oh my god that article:

For anyone who took an interest in the story, the question was not how two footballers could behave like that (um, they were footballers),

Vera Baird, the former solicitor general, said it had put rape cases back 20 years. Natasha shakes her head. “If it’s a rape where some man’s just jumped on a woman in the street you’re not going to mention her sexual history because it’s got nothing to do with it. But in a case like Ched’s it did matter because it was to do with consent.”

That is why it is sending us back 20 years.

I don't think she's really computed the cheating in her mind. She will never believe he didn't get consent, I understand that - no one can comprehend their partner, brother, son etc could rape. But the cheating seems to have flown over her head, she had a child with him at the first opportunity. Gotta pity her naïveté really.

Maxine Carr didn't believe her lovely boyfriend could do such a thing either. She's a deluded twat. God hope she doesn't have any daughters.

I feel sorry for tash. Her dad said most young inebriated men would do what Crud did. Plus dad gave Crud permission to attend the AP interview. Wow dad's very invested isn't he?

Maybe I'm being unfairly cynical but I always assumed the baby was deliberate to make Evans look like a family man and to give him a better chance of getting off. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was advised that they had a child.

I had a swift peek at Allison Pearson's twitter feed - there's several minutes of my life I'll never get back. I reckon that her opinion on just about anything can be safely disregarded.

That sounds ridiculous Jen but I also would not be surprised if that were the case.

Jen I agree with you. I'm sure he can do family man for a few years but being under Daddy Warbuck's cosh will take its toll. Men like Crud are grateful for only so long.

Just confirms what I always thought about this: they just don't think of rape as anything but dark-alley-stranger stuff.

Pre-emotive yes I agree with you. Which is why she can't view him as a rapist. Why can't people see that sneaking in that room without knocking, showed extreme predatory behaviour at the very least.

It does sound ridiculous but from what I've seen of these two I genuinely think it's what has happened. They've been together a long time, 8 years. 4 years before he went to prison (long enough to know whether you want to marry someone) but on his release they get engaged and a few months later She is pregnant and baby born just in time for the appeal being heard at the court of appeal. I am cynical admittedly but I also know how fucking naive people are and open to persuasion that they don't even know is happening. Massey standing by him, agreeing to marry him and have his child is all a great show to prove how much of a decent man he is and how he couldn't possibly be a rapist because why would any woman marry and have a rapists child? Those jurors are members of the public and will have read newspapers/ followed the story before they were called for jury duty. I really have no doubt that every thing that family has done since the day he was arrested was deliberately to improve his chances of getting off. For some reason her family have invested massively in this man. I really don't see that having his baby was beyond them as a deliberate attempt to manipulate opinion.

Put it this way, if Massey had walked away from him when he was first charged i think public opinion of him would have been very different now.

“If it’s a rape where some man’s just jumped on a woman in the street you’re not going to mention her sexual history because it’s got nothing to do with it. But in a case like Ched’s it did matter because it was to do with consent.”

FFS. He was a hair's breadth from being the man that jumps on a woman in the street. Just because he managed to get into a hotel room, by lying to Reception, doesn't make it any different.

I've always been extremely doubtful about the whole "we asked if he could join in, she said yes" defence - because CM & CE's stories differed when they first interviewed by police.

Let's face it - the victim has no memory - they can say what they like. And the witnesses in this case were......CE, CE's brother, CE friends. Even the so-called new witnesses brought forth by the promise of £50k were linked with CE/his brother.

It stinks.

Put it this way, if Massey had walked away from him when he was first charged i think public opinion of him would have been very different now.

I agree, her standing by him, having a child and getting engaged to him as somehow vindicated his behaviour not only to CE himself but also his supporters.

It's all very dark and calculated.

*has not as

Massey isn't alone in thinking that there's a distinction between raperape and the kind of thing her oh so fragrant BF did. There are men and women on MN who will merrily point out that some women just deserve to be raped. Not in so many words of course, but that's what they mean when they spout off their rape myths.

That poor young woman never stood a chance against his friends and family and all their money and influence.

Absolutely Xeno, there was a poster on one of these threads the other day saying more or less that. That, the fact she'd supposedly had sex a couple of weeks later and "willingly" gone to the the hotel, meant it was likely she'd consented.

It makes me sick.

If a woman gets drunk, the only thing she "deserves" is a hangover. No one deserves a violent crime.

Loving the idea that Ched ( one gsc in PE) Evans thinks he can speak more authoritatively on criminal law than Vera Baird.