Apparently, women with vaginas are "cuntscum."

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This lovely person was elected to represent LGBT students. What a stunning and brave example they present.

Although I have read one buzzfeed article with transmen complaining gay men didn't see them as men.

It's all getting a little emperors new clothes.

It's been reinforced and reinforced and reinforced on the Internet trans sites that 'you are what you identify as' but most people don't believe that so it comes as a shock when a trans person gets rejected for not being the sex that they appear. It's sad. I think the trans girl jazz Jennings had a similar shock when she wanted to start dating straight boys and they weren't interested. It's not fair that these lies are being told to vulnerable people.

Very true Kite. People can say these terrible things until they're blue in the face, but it won't change reality. Very few straight men will date a transwoman. No truly straight man will date a transwoman with a penis. Lesbians won't have sex with penis people (not sure the correct term)

Maybe a few straight women will be okay with a transman. But the brutal reality is, it doesn't matter how ugly your comments aimed towards people of certain sexualities are, the most likely thing to happen is they will ignore you and date, and fuck who they are actually attracted to.

Basically, you'll never be able to bully people into being attracted to you. In fact, I find that rather rapist-y.

Exactly! You may wish and push and complain that people don't fancy you, but the fact is that if they don't, they don't. Some people will, but you won't have as large a dating pool as someone who isn't trans.
I might as well complain that my more attractive, slimmer friend gets more men than I do. I can say it, but it's not going to change anything. That's how life is, unfortunately

I think if a transwoman won't date a transwoman with a penis because they like straight men, that will limit their dating pool severely. Not to mention it is breathtakingly hypocritical.

I really don't believe a man who is attracted to sex with vulvas will want a non sex changed person, and even then it's not going to 'feel' the same? I imagine a gay man in hevial denial would happily date a transwoman. But let's not pretend that makes him straight if she has a penis.

However I will argue that there is obviously stigma around a trans couple. If a man is happy with a trans person, it's absolutely no one's business why. If we reduced that stigma, hopefully there would be less murders that seem to happen when men find out they;ve been 'tricked' I'm wording myself clumsily, but I DO think there is a bit of pressure for men who genuinely are attracted to/love a fully transitioned person. Which is wrong.

I should also add that murdering a sex partner for being biologically male is (obviously) unforgivable. BUT... There's something about the idea that I could unknowingly have sex with a man that used to be a woman that makes my skin crawl. I would want to know, because then I would choose not to have that sexual encounter. Which I feel is my right.

It must be difficult for passing trans people to bring up the subject, but I do think it's untruthful if they don't mention that they're trans. And deliberately misleading, as they must know that some people wouldn't want a trans partner.
And just to make the point that it's men who murder trans women, but trans activists attacking women for being bigots and "literal violence" which is in fact not literally violent, just not wanting to shag them

It's interesting that whole thing Frye. Do you remember that transman who was convicted last year I think for 'pretending' to be a man when she was a woman when she had sex with her female partner? And yet now we're in a situation where we're not supposed to ask or want to know before becoming intimate with someone. And that genitals are no definer of sex. It's nonsense.

I'm so glad I'm married. Couldn't deal with this!

Yes, i must be hard to bring up, but not bringing it up... I can't think of a comparison, there's just something that seems really wrong about it.

Totally emperor's new clothes.

This cock Ada really should be expelled. His words are offensive and hate speak. WHY are the university not tackling him.

I kind of hope the whole LGBT thing will wake up and see wankers like this do them no favours, why should lesbians even have to listen to this bullshit.

Re "Lesbians won't have sex with penis people (not sure the correct term)" well I'd say the term was 'man; but if the penis person is living as a trans woman than trans woman.

I was going to say man Italian but MNHQ have made it clear that 'misgendering' will get you in lots of trouble, even though I don't feel comfortable calling Ada a she as i feel she is espousing typical male psychopathic crap. Plus, on a personal level I feel foolish saying someone who is very obviously a guy; isn't.
Although apparently she wants to be called they. don't even see how that would work, pronouns aren't easy to change as it is, and they isn't a term most people will have used, ever, in that context.

I do think someone like Ada has deep rooted xenophobic and particularly misogynist views which have completely destroyed her sexual psyche. So in that aspect, she's almost pitiable. Almost.

I notice Ada only has 77 Twitter followers and has a closed account so at least the comment aren't reaching too wide an audience!

How is this all getting so much attention if her Twitter is small, personal and closed off? I mean obviously someone is leaking, but is she 'only' posting her misogynistic, anti-semetic, homophobic God she's every ist there is on her account?

Their twitter account used to be public, I think.

How is this all getting so much attention if her Twitter is small, personal and closed off?

Because he's in a position of authority, presumably. Being in charge of all things LGBT at an university isn't much to society in general, but it matters to the LGB community.

Heidelberg Lady*fest is a tiny thing, too, but their misogynist claim that "female genitalia are trans-exclusionary" was all over the internet. Because there isn't THAT much feminist activism, and the real feminists get angry if what little we have is taken over by transactivism.

This idea that people are attracted to personalities, not bodies is very odd and quite incorrect. Oh I know that there are people who don't feel sexual attraction until they know a person but they are rare. And that obviously you can feel sexual attraction for a well loved partner even if they look different to how you might wish they did. But initial sexual attraction is a combination of physical looks and chemistry and that is very much related to bodies. My sexuality dictates that I don't find other people's vaginas arousing. I have been attracted to women before but would never have sex with one because once I got up close to a vagina that wasn't mine I would lose all desire. I wouldn't be able to have sex with a trans man no matter how lovely they were or how masculine they looked because the vagina would put the brakes on. The TA line that 'you're attracted to genders not genitals' is completely not borne out by evidence of human behaviour and is a very naive view of things.

Until Robbie Travers brought the tweets about dead police to the attention of a wider audience, Ada was able, with almost complete impunity to attack, harass, dox, and harm women at will. Their account was open, and they trawled the internet for mentions of their name.

They also had a LOT more than 70 followers until recently, and have several twitter accounts, they have also had other platforms for their hatred, including student rags and other social media.

It now appears that FINALLY Edinburgh Uni is taking this seriously.

Their Twitter account has a post which says they are looking at Ada's collective behaviour over the time they have been elected. This is a huge step, until now, they have looked at the incidents singularly, rather than as a whole.

So this guy (whatever, delete me MNHQ I'm not calling this person she or they) on top of all the generalised misogyny and homophobia, was sexually harassing individual women and this was ignored? Even with the internet being, yknow, enormous proof?

Fuck Edinburgh uni. Far, far, FAR too little, too fucking late.

I think you'd be surprised how many men are attracted to trans women and they would identify as straight and many are married. I cant speak for f to m but in general they dont have the downstairs operation and they frequently do attract women friends.

People who are attracted to people of the same sex are gay or bisexual. Of course trans people attract partners but if a trans woman has a female partner it's still not a lesbian relationship and vice versa
Homo sexual and hetero sexual don't mean homogenderal or heterogenderal

I think there's a huge difference between an off the cuff 'she's hot' and 'I'll date/have a ONS/marry her' Mega, and I think most people can say there are plenty of attractive trans while also saying we'd never date someone trans.

What does hetero/homogenderal mean? Google gives me nothing.

I suspect they are neologisms to try to explain the difference between homosexual sex being between people with the same sexual organs and homogenderal sex being between people with the same feelz. Heterosexual/genderal fitting the same pattern?

Special agent. I didnt say anything about his views on wimen who wont have sex with a transsexual. Of course he's wrong. My last post was to correct the fallacy that a straight man cannot be attracted to a trans...and they are not bi- they fancy a trans as they would a woman.