Apparently, women with vaginas are "cuntscum."

[WombOfOnesOwn]

thetab.com/uk/edinburgh/2016/08/18/edinburghs-lgbt-convenor-said-i-sure-hope-police-die-today-24996

This lovely person was elected to represent LGBT students. What a stunning and brave example they present.

[SpecialAgentFreyPie]

Bullshit. Zio is a disgusting, hurtful term and it's only ever claimed to be about Israel after the fact. Jewish heritage and pro Palestine here. But don't pretend that comment wasn't exactly what it was.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

This is a report of "the Zio" incident. The University has investigated but has not made its report public.

www.thejc.com/news/campus-news/154777/student-union-says-it-will-not-reveal-results-investigation-officer-who-alle

Why would anyone describe another person as "the Zio" in the sense Wells did by saying "the Zio just arrived" ?

Wells said she didn't know the term was short for "Zionist". Presumably she thought it was a synonym for Jew. That doesn't make her statement any better. Substitute any other noun referring to a religious believer and see how it works; not well.

" Jew " rather than "Jewish" in any case sounds pejorative. I had difficulty getting my phone auto correct to accept "Jew"

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

Ken Livingstone was rightly castigated for what he said.

[LowAMH]

Ada is a despicable person. I'd heard about the ridiculous safe space arguments a few months ago but didn't realise this was the same individual!

I'm also an alum and wondering wtf is going on at my old university.

[Nannawifeofbaldr]

Out of genuine interest and for educational purposes can I ask:

If a Lesbian refusing to have sex with a transwoman on the basis that they have a penis is "transphobic" are the following not also transphobic:

Straight man refusing to have sex with a transwoman with penis?

Gay man refusing to have sex with a trans man with a vagina?

Post op Gay transman refusing to have sex with a trans man with a vagina?

Gay man refusing to have sex with a post op transwoman on the basis that they have a vagina?

Why is it only lesbians being pressed on this issue?

Why do I never here about FtM transactivists? Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places?

[thedogstinks]

Meh. Straight bloke gets abusive when a woman won't have sex with him. So far, so usual.

[soniaclimes]

nanawife - yes to all those and it is also transphobic (according to ada)for a lesbian to sleep with a woman who identifies as male, or for a gay man to sleep with a man who identifies as female, because that means you arent respecting their gender identity and clearly dont believe they are really the opposite sex and NOT GAY AT ALL.

[thedogstinks]

I wonder how many be-penised transwomen he's slept with?

[Rainuntilseptember15]

The police comment puzzles me. I thought the writer of the tweet must be from somewhere the police are known for beating up transpeople, perhaps a high profile shooting even - not Edinburgh, land of Rebus and no guns in sight.
I doubt anyone at the university cares about the anti-lesbian comments sadly, but I would have thought inciting violence against the police and anti-semitism would have lead to more trouble.

[FreshwaterSelkie]

It makes me sad when I think about what Magdalen points out in that video- that 17 and 18 year old lesbians are turning up at Edinburgh Uni, where they should be able to connect with other lesbians, probably in ways they've not been able to before, and they're being greeted by people like Ada who tell them that lesbians have to sleep with people with penises or they're horrid transphobic bigots. How on EARTH could you make head or tail of your sexuality in that environment? What are you meant to make of the fact that you're attracted to women, to breasts and vulvas and all things female, when you're being told that isn't actually allowed? And it's being done in the very society that's supposed to SUPPORT you!

It's a mess.

[susannahmoodie]

I am an alumni of Edinburgh uni too and am also disgusted that they are condoning this....but struggling to articulate my thoughts in a letter....

Who do you all think would be the best body to write to? Eusa or the university itself??

[LineyReborn]

Maybe the man at the top should know?

Professor Sir Timothy O'Shea
Principal and Vice-Chancellor

Principal's Office
Work: +44(0)131 650 2150
Fax: +44(0)131 650 6519
Email: [email protected]

[Xenophile]

He knows Liney. Despite one persons desperate attempts to suggest that Ada is some kind of lone wolf asshole, they are well known and well supported within the university. They aren't merely a "twat" they are a twat with backing from EUSA and members of the University disciplinary council.

Publicly, and using accounts that clearly state their officer position within EUSA, they have made violent, misogynist, homophobic and antisemitic comments and have been supported and validated by students.

[LineyReborn]

Xenophile He knows? Ok. Stage 2 could be making the fact that he knows and hasn't done anything a problem for him.

Most people at the top don't like pressure. Their instinct, I've often found, is to want someone else in their team to make the problem go away.

'Pressure' would also be, say, a message from the chancellor's office asking why she's being sent messages about this situation and dragged into this unholy mess ... 'Princess Anne in anti-lesbian university row' has a nice ring to it for the Daily Fail I think. I presume the chancellor has an email address?

[WilLiAmHerschel]

He's nasty, misogynistic piece of work but a far it seems that Edinburgh University are happy to be associated with that kind of behaviour. I wonder if they will take his inciting violence against the police more seriously. I suspect they will.

[WilLiAmHerschel]

My beliefs of why lesbians are facing the most pressure: transwomen who previously would have been known as transvestite men are mostly attracted to women and being dressed up and accepted as a woman is part of a sexual fantasy. Now they fall under the transgender umbrella, they are told they really are women and are very happy to go along with this because it gives them an excuse to invade women's private spaces. Nothing is more women-only than lesbianism and lesbianism is fetishised by many males (think "lesbian porn").

Interestingly, many of these transgender lesbians who claim it is gender identity, not genitals, that determine sexuality will not consider sleeping with fellow bepenised transgender lesbians because they find it "triggering".

Transmen who are attracted to women or men are less likely to have that huge sense of entitlement some transwomen have due to their female socialisation. Although I have read one buzzfeed article with transmen complaining gay men didn't see them as men. Will be interesting to see if this type of thing from transmen increases more and more children are now being transitioned in their toddler years.

[SpecialAgentFreyPie]

Toddlers are being given hormones?! That's just sick. Child abuse IMO. What's next, hysterectomies on nine year olds?!

I can sort of understand (well, not really but sort of) how a fake vagina is made, but a fake penis? Can a transman get an erection, for example?

[MsKite]

I saw a programme about trans men and one had a "penis" created from abdominal skin. It had an inflatable balloon inside which was pumped up by squeezing one of the newly created testicles, and let down by squeezing the other. It didn't seem a very satisfactory solution to me, as an outsider looking in.
Also the womb snd ovaries had to be removed as there's an increased risk of cancer when taking testosterone

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

Toddlers aren't being given hormones, really. But some very young children are socially transitioned.

[SpecialAgentFreyPie]

If my DH has a penis that he had to inflate by squeezing one his testicles, I don't think I could have sex with him tbh. Did it look like a regular dick?

Socially transitioned? So if a little boy wants to play with a tea set they change his name and pronouns? All my DC and every child I've known has either gone through a phase or just enjoyed whatever toys they did.

[BroomhildaVonShaft]

Who said toddle are being given hormones? That's not true. Pre-teens, yes

[MsKite]

Erm...I think it looked OK SpecialAgent. I can't imagine it had much sensation though. I assume the female generals were retained in some way? I don't think it went into that detail because it was on bbc3 iirc.

[MsKite]

Genitals not generals

[SpecialAgentFreyPie]

Sorry, I thought it might have been on the programme and was nosy!

Broom, I misunderstood when another poster said toddlers are transitioning. I always thought that meant physical changes.

[MsKite]

It was on! I just can't remember it that well, but think it looked OK. Google it. I just have it was actually channel 4. It looks like a cock, obviously might not stand up to close scrutiny though