Apparently, women with vaginas are "cuntscum."

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thetab.com/uk/edinburgh/2016/08/18/edinburghs-lgbt-convenor-said-i-sure-hope-police-die-today-24996

This lovely person was elected to represent LGBT students. What a stunning and brave example they present.

mega all his things are happening now

The problem with that is that while some people are saying that NATWALT, the ones who's voices are out there ARE. Not only that, but their voices are endorsed constantly and publicly.

It seems to be that, unless you fall into the T and Q of the alphabet soup, then you might as well not bother at Edinburgh.

It's also very telling to me that it took a male to get on board before EUSA took any action at all. And they took actions over an inchoate threat to the police and not over the threats to and abuse of women, gay men, Jewish people or any of the myriad other vulnerable groups on campus. Women have been highlighting this since before Ada was elected and nothing was done, apart from Ada making spurious accusations against those women.

What this tells us all is that EUSA only listens to men and that they only give a shit about the police and not the students they represent.

Well said Matilda and Freshwater!

xenophile thanks - you've put your finger on the issue there

Hermoine.
You are right. My post was careless.

They should not participate in sport and though IOC guidelines allow it there will be an almighty outcry when the first trans m to f athlete competes in the olympics

In the last point however re: participation in womens/mens groups TGs should have a right to participate.

Sorry. Im well behind the curve on this one. Two british trans athletes competed at Rio.

I can see M and F sports combining at some point especially if a woman wants to play for say Chelsea men's and is good enough. The best women athletes are competitive with men and the time differences in the marathon are getting narrower.

So let me get this clear, Mega, aside from sports, you think there is no other area that women should expect to have to themselves without biological men?

Why should TW have a right to join women's groups ? They're not female and have experience of sex based oppression. What do we have in common? Why should female sexual abuse survivors be forced to have men in the room when they talk about their experiences, as is happening? These are images from self identified "women". Can you not see why women wouldn't want them in sex segregated spaces?

Have NO experience of sex based oppression.

The best women athletes are competitive with men and the time differences in the marathon are getting narrower.
I don't think that's true at all. From what I've read elsewhere admittedly might not be accurate good amateur male runners are running at female professionals pace. Physiologically we just are never going to be equal.

Jenners top decathlon score from the 70's (8634) is outside the top 25 men. No woman has beaten it, ever.

The best women athletes are competitive with men

They're fucking well NOT. Nowhere near.

They're fucking well NOT. Nowhere near.

They are if trans-women are women...

MegaRich - the fastest women in the world are slower than the 1,000 fastest men.

I don't want men in women's groups, even if they 'self-identify' as woman.

This is a man. But he 'self-defines' as a woman. What is the difference between him and any other man?

The best women athletes are competitive with men.

Bullshit. The only reason to have separate disciplines for men and women is because if we didn't, men would win everything, all the time.

Venus and Serena Williams who have dominated women's tennis for the best part of a decade would be be beaten hands down by pretty much any male journeyman pro.

The times for elite women runners at the Olympics are roughly on a par with what decent amateur male club runners can do.

MNHQ is on a losing wicket if they are planning to keep on deleting and banning people for misgendering people who are not posters. It might have made sense once before non-binary identities became a thing but people like Ada aren't consistent or persistent in their demands and are not claiming to be female anyway.

Exactly Countess, it's already absurd and is getting worse.

So frustrated, can't even think of a coherent post that will not be deleted.

Right now I feel that feminist women are not welcome to post without approval.

RichT, IIRC, women's records in athletics etc are broadly 10% behind men's. So whilst both sexes have got faster over time, there is still a marked difference.

Sorry. Im well behind the curve on this one.

You are. You really are. Something else that you might also need to have a think about - coming to a feminism board to tone police women and tell us what is and isn't acceptable to us won't get you a red carpet welcome. If you're here to genuinely learn, there's a key principle to consider.

It's also very telling to me that it took a male to get on board before EUSA took any action at all. And they took actions over an inchoate threat to the police and not over the threats to and abuse of women, gay men, Jewish people or any of the myriad other vulnerable groups on campus

As far as I can follow this the 2 most vocal persons were Magdalen Berns and Robbie Travers. Travers certainly called her out on the "Zio" incident and on misogynistic tweets about lesbians (as I'm sure Berns did too) but as you say it was the police comments which were the tipping point.

Lass, I can't say too much on here for legal reasons, but that's not entirely correct.

Hopefully it will resolve itself soon and I will be able to say why.

(sorry it's all a bit cloak and dagger, but I'm sure you understand my reasons?)

Ah, interesting. Understood.

This is a man. But he 'self-defines' as a woman. What is the difference between him and any other man?

That he is adding insult to injury by trying to gaslight us?

I hate regular sexist males, but I also hate liars, so the combination of that makes for an expecially hateable individuum.

These are images from self identified "women". Can you not see why women wouldn't want them in sex segregated spaces?

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See this kinda of confuses me. This is clearly a guy. a guy who does not want to change. Which is fine. However being a guy, and wearing womens clothes..is a crossdresser, not trans? I wonder sometimes if some of this recent 'trend' to be trans is people feeling ashamed to admit they like to crossdress, or in other cases people who want to follow the current trend and be 'trans' rather than admitting they are gay or something? Otherwise I just cannot get my head around these people identifying as women, and possibly be treat as totally equal or even superior to women, while being..completely male in all but your thoughts.