Apparently, women with vaginas are "cuntscum."

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This lovely person was elected to represent LGBT students. What a stunning and brave example they present.

Oops the 'wimen was a typo not a clever jibe'.

If you fancy someone of the same sex, you're not straight

Thanks Xeno

I know what you meant Mega, I just think you can look at someone, admire their appearance but be completely turned off by their genitals. Which I know isn't politically correct, but it's true.

For example, when we watch Orange is the New Black,DH 'admires' the character Laverne Cox plays. When I told him Laverne was trans, he instantly lost interest and moved onto Laura Prepton

So not disagreeing at all, as I don't think DH is bi or gay. I just think that fancying someone's face is a lot different than sex. To me, a man who can happily have sex with a penis, no matter how feminine the transwoman looks, he is at the very least, bisexual.

Maybe we need to consult Dr. Kinsey

Heterogenderal isn't a word. It's a counter argument to the one that TAs put forward that being gay/straight is about being attracted to same/opposite gender regardless of genitalia. Sexuality is and always will be about sex (male or female) not gender.
Mega - if a man has a sexual relationship with a trans woman with a penis then that is homosexual sex.

Thanks Special but no. .. its not just the face. Its attraction in the same way a man is attracted to a woman....including their manner the way they move...of course some are bi- but the straight ones will not go near the penis. .theres a lot more to sex and attraction than a penis.

Mega you're describing a gay man who is attracted to an effeminate gay man. The way they move? Their manner? That's homosexual. An nothing wrong with that. But it isn't straight and it's both odd and confusing to pretend it is.

There simply aren't hordes of straight men eager to date transwomen. It's not true. if it were, maybe they'd get off our backs a little God i wish i hadn't googled transactivist

Thanks Broom

I feel like I'm doing mental gymnastics with this stuff. There's no such thing as a heterosexual man wanting to suck on a 'female penis,' like I just read online.
No, that would be a gay man deeply in denial.

To me, a man who can happily have sex with a penis, no matter how feminine the transwoman looks, he is at the very least, bisexual.

Of course they are. To suggest otherwise shows a woeful lack of knowledge and understanding of human sexuality. There's no shame in being bisexual or homosexual and if men have sex with people who have penises, no matter how those people feel inside, they are either gay or bisexual.

It's pretty bloody regressive to be biphobic or homophobic to the point that you can't admit to yourself or others that two people with penises who engage in sexual activities aren't bi of gay!

Special.. thats because youre fixated on the sex organ..of you know what I mean. On fact, a man who says theyre straight will not go near a penis. There's a lot more you can do with a woman.

I know! It's like everyone has become so Right On we've actually turned the clock back on how we view gay men

How can someone who identifies as female, and is attracted to women, seem to hate other lesbians so much?!

Projecting much? Definate jealousy and her own issues at play.

Excuse me Mega? In a conversation about sex, I'm obsessed because I won't pretend having a penis is, y'know, a huge fucking deal if you like vulva?

I also find the little insinuation about my sex life more than a tad creepy...

I'm still reading up on this trans stuff online - Seems I've missed a lot in the last three years - but it seems to me these real zealot ones all seem to be 'lesbians' who are very, very jealous of women for being women. Especially if they dare to have a soft and curvy body type.

I think Mega is being sarcastic (at least I hope so). It is quite common in the tumblr-sphere to talk about how transphobic it is to think sex comes down to anything as crude and biological as genitals. Of course to those of us outside the tumblr-sphere, the reaction to this is WTAF?!?!

It's becoming more and more apparent that a lot of the more abusive transwomen are just misogynist lesbophobes.

A case of look at the new hate, same as the old hate.

And of course not all transwomen are like this. Far too many of them are.

Lol. Wasnt intended as personal, Special. Just to concentrate on the importance on the sex organ is to ignore all the other aspects of attraction. Anyway, I can see its a difficult concept of youre not a bloke....or even for a lot of blokes.

BTW, being in deep, deep denial about being gay is not that uncommon - I have a friend who works in public health who says they have to use the phrase "men who have sex with men" because otherwise they would alienate a lot of service-users and they desperately need (for disease prevention) to use whatever pragmatic strategy it takes to get the condoms to the at risk groups, regardless of how those people label their own sexuality. And this is not men having sex with transwomen, this is men having sex with men but telling themselves they're not gay.

Ah Mega wasn't being sarcastic. But is confused about the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions. For me as a straight woman, male anatomy is a necessary precondition for me finding someone sexually attractive. It is not sufficient - I have to go for things about looks, personality, smell, etc. too.

I am awful at reading tone in posts. I;ve already had to apologise twice today!

I must admit, I'm curious as to who, exactly, some of these hateful psychos transacivists I've been reading about want to date. Because they hate lesbians, so that rules them out. But they're not attracted to men, so that rules them out. And they don't date other transwomen or transmen for reasons I cannot understand.

So who does that leave?

I've been looking at some of this tumblr activism, and the strong impression left on me is that these are kids, but they're also sexually inexperienced kids. So they find it quite easy to preach; because they are naive. The ones who are sexually active seem to abruptly change their 'identity' to pansexual as soon as they get their first serious relationship going.

Quite sad they feel they need a new word for heterosexual, like there's something bigoted about being straight.

If you're a man who's attracted to someone packing a peen, be it under a snappy suit or a dress, then you're not straight. You're gay or bi, and possibly in deep, deep denial. But you're not straight.

Female-to-trans are more often lesbian than they are straight. So they end up in relationships with lesbians. But those are lesbian relationships, XX to XX, not straight relationships. It's not unheard of for FtT to want to have relationships with gay men (most of whom are not enthused about this, but don't come in for the same stick as penis-refusing lesbians). When this happens, it's a straight relationship, XX to XY, so the men involved are again at least bisexual. Male-to-trans are sometimes gay, so want relationships with gay men - XY to XY. But frequently they are straight, so want to have relationships with women, most of all lesbians. XY to XX = straight relationship.

It's all very simple if you set aside who identifies as what and think about who could technically impregnate whom. The rest is just sexual preference, which, for clarity, matters not a jot to me - sleep with who you like! But don't give other people shit if they don't fancy you - that's just life.

It's sad isn't it Mega, that these men feel they can't be themselves? In my DH's culture, homosexuality is seen as a sort of failure of character. I know at least one repressed gay men, probably more but I don't want t label people I'm not 100% certain about.

Of course there are other parts to attraction. Huge things. I don't think I'll even really bother replying to that, as it's such a ridiculous thing to say.

I think there are many places in the world where it's more acceptable to identify as MtF than as a gay man. It's desperately sad that this seems to be the case in the UK for some people.

Olenna- Brilliant username. Just brilliant!