Would anyone mind if I started a thread about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard here?

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Because quite frankly I'm getting sick of all the misogynist crap I'm seeing everywhere else about this.

I've said this before but I'll say it again. There could be a clear video of Johnny beating the shit out of Amber released tomorrow and there would still be people defending him whilst slagging her off - "he was drunk so he probably didn't know what he was doing", "she probably provoked him", "it's a lie!", "it's fake!", etc.

He could probably even beat her to a pulp on a red carpet in front of cameras and people would still be falling at his feet .

Given all the evidence it is actually far more likely that he has been abusive towards her than it is she is making the whole thing up, yet people are still defending him and calling her a liar.

Even people who believe he has been abusive towards her still seem to defend him and blame her. Someone on Facebook said this morning that he probably had hit her but she had it coming and must have done something to deserve it

Is this still rumbling on?

Chances are they are mutually abusive.

There's far too much money involved for anyone to ever know the truth, even the 2 of them may have problems with that!

Name the problem:

Male violence.

But do remember to acknowledge that, whilst the vast majority of domestic violence is male on female, we cannot ignore the fact that some women are also violent.

Otherwise we would be condemning Depp and exonerating Heard based purely on genetics... oh, wait, that is what some posters are doing! Silly me

based purely on genetics.. no, based also on being able to recognise patterns of behaviour which make it more likely someone is an abuser.

Did I say otherwise?

But 'more likely' is not an infallible measure.

You can know that most violence is done by male perpetrators and know that sometimes women can also be violent! The 2 are not mutually exclusive. That isn't NAMALT or whataboutery. It is just not losing sight of reality.

Spome on this thread seem incapable of considering that BOTH parties are/were violent to the other.

Nobody here has said women can’t be abusers. You clearly think both of them are. Others don’t.

I didn't say that either. I said 'chances are' and that there is too much mney involved for anyone to ever know the truth!

See, not defending either of them, now or at the beginning of this thread when many were leaping to defend one or the other!

Well that’s your take. Many of us are victims of male abusers and recognise patterns of behaviour.

I give in Jessica. You seem determined to misunderstand me!

And don't make any assumptions, Many of us are victims of male abusers as I too have been such a victim.

‘Us’ didn’t exclude you, or anyone else. But some here, who you’re clearly disagreeing with above, believe Amber based on their life experience and ability to recognise patterns that are often seen in abusive people. Above you claim others are condemning Depp based purely on ‘genetics’, I gather you mean his sex, and I’m suggesting it’s actually his overall behaviour, not just that he’s Male, as you yourself suggested. I’m not at all determined to think one way or the other as to your meaning, I’m simply giving you an alternate reasoning to the responses on this thread.

I was responding to the post immediately above mine that you find offensive.

Name the problem... coming after the allegations and information from many people over a prolonged period of time against Heard I feel that is uncalled for in this situation

But I can understand why some people find it hard to see past male pattern violence.

I’m not offended. I’m simply giving a different perspective to you.

We do have a problem with Male violence. You don’t need to follow with ‘some women...’ as well. I know you believe it to be relevant to this particular case, but for some here, we see abusive patterns with Johnny and not Amber. I shared my own story earlier, where my Dad says I was the aggressive one, because I finally had enough and overpowered him and he came off second best. I don’t know for certain, obviously, what happened here, and you might be right that we may never know. Amber got death threats and all kinds of abuse from his fans at the time of their divorce, so I personally think that’s why she quickly settled.

I am bowing out, Jessica.

I don't see the point in continuing to trade "I think / you think" based on personal experiences, or not.

Oh? Cos that’s what a forum is. Everyone discussing a subject and giving opinions, explaining them, and responding to and analysing others being presented.

I’m not offended. I’m not in an argument I need to ‘bow out of’, particularly as we’ve only responded to each other a couple of times! What a strange reaction.

JessicaWakefieldSVH - you're basing your opinion on what you 'think' might have happened or who you 'think' you should believe, based on what you view as patterns of behavior. None of us were there, were we? Which is why I never joined in the witch-hunt mob against Depp. Im basing my opinion on the latest court-suit which I read in detail yesterday (which is easy to find online) and it contradicts and exposes a lot of what was written in the press and from Heard's camp. Yes most violence is men against women, not all obviously, but most. But that doesnt mean we give Heard a free pass if she's found to be lying. Yes, shock horror, we women do lie sometimes!

We do know that Heard was arrested for DV against her ex, we know that Heard and her ex tried to spin it later saying it was a homophobic arrest and a fuss about nothing, but that was discredited when you see that the arresting officer (who witnessed the assault) is a openly gay woman, and was adamant about what she saw, and that the ex was distressed.

We know that initially (from the divorce papers) that Heard was after 50,000 a month from Depp spousal support, apparently to cover her rent and clothes buying. The whole 'Im giving my settlement to charity came later' after the 'gold-digging' backlash.

Also we know is that Depp has just submitted a massive list of evidence, including 87 surveillance videos, 48 witnesses, photos of his injuries, 14 depositions and sworn declarations that apparently prove he was the one being abused and set up by Heard.

Now either Depp has paid off all these witnesses, including police, manufactured cctv evidence etc.. or maybe he's actually telling the truth? He obviously thinks he has a strong case, and with all that evidence I do too.

MargeB

You’re very invested in this aren’t you? Amber has her story, Johnny has his. You’re believing him 100% and seem to relish the idea she’s going to be ‘exposed’ as a liar. So I don’t see how you’re that different to anyone here believing her. Johnny has not said anything new he didn’t say before, only the reasons they’re giving for her ‘lies’- which previously he stated were not invented for financial gain.

I’m not going to keep debating with a crazed fan that just repeats themselves.

Im not a 'crazed fan'.. never have been. I just think its appalling how everyone jumped on the band wagon and tried to ruin his career, when it looks like those allegations are false, and he was the victim, and even now are still denigrating Depp and saying he's some sort of lunatic abuser.

Again, why take her to court, why compile all this new evidence against her version of events, if he's guilty? Are you suggesting he's fabricated all this new evidence and paid off witnesses and police, cctv etc? Is he some sort of criminal mastermind who's going to buy off the courts and judges? Really? Or should we assume Heard hasnt been telling the truth?

Is that you Johnny?

Ah well if the police officer claimed to have witnessed it then it must be true then. It's not as if police officers never lie or have their own agenda...

I love how you're constantly bringing up Heard's alleged violent history but you're conveniently ignoring Depp's.

I also love how you're making a big song and dance over Depp's bruises but ignoring the all the bruises Heard was seen with throughout their relationship. Of course it couldn't possibly be the case that their relationship was mutually abusive or Depp's bruises were the result of Heard lashing out in self defence. Of course everything must have all been Heard's fault .

Again, why take her to court, why compile all this new evidence against her version of events, if he's guilty?

Because that's what abusive men do. It's a well known tactic for abusive men to turn it around to make it look like he's the victim. People who work in domestic violence are sadly all all too aware of this tactic.

Just to clear up allegations of abuse against her former partner, who explains it here and shares they are still close:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/people/amber-heard-johnny-depp-tasya-van-ree-domestic-violence-allegations-a7072126.html%3famp

Im guessing you all feel kinda stupid now for hammering Depp and believing Heard?

Nope! Not one bit. I still believe he was violent to her.

its because of women like Heard that we dont get taken seriously when these incidents actually do happen!

No it's because of violent men and people like you who jump up and down with glee at the thought of women being liars

My husband gets a bit put out when I mention this subject because apparently JD dresses up as Jack Sparrow to go amd visit children's hospitals so he must be a Nice Guy. Evidence that he might be a Not Nice Guy tends to jar with DH's rosy view and make him unhappy. Cognitive dissonance, you are so cruel to men sometimes and it makes them sad

My husband gets a bit put out when I mention this subject because apparently JD dresses up as Jack Sparrow to go amd visit children's hospitals so he must be a Nice Guy.

Maybe remind him that Saville used to visit children at the hospital too.

No it's because of violent men and people like you who jump up and down with glee at the thought of women being liars

Fantastic response