Would anyone mind if I started a thread about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard here?

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Because quite frankly I'm getting sick of all the misogynist crap I'm seeing everywhere else about this.

I've said this before but I'll say it again. There could be a clear video of Johnny beating the shit out of Amber released tomorrow and there would still be people defending him whilst slagging her off - "he was drunk so he probably didn't know what he was doing", "she probably provoked him", "it's a lie!", "it's fake!", etc.

He could probably even beat her to a pulp on a red carpet in front of cameras and people would still be falling at his feet .

Given all the evidence it is actually far more likely that he has been abusive towards her than it is she is making the whole thing up, yet people are still defending him and calling her a liar.

Even people who believe he has been abusive towards her still seem to defend him and blame her. Someone on Facebook said this morning that he probably had hit her but she had it coming and must have done something to deserve it

Amber Heard has released a statement confirming she has given away the settlement - half to a charity supporting victims of domestic violence and half to a children's medical charity. Her actions speak volumes.

Im guessing you all feel kinda stupid now for hammering Depp and believing Heard? Just been reading the new evidence last night, its chilling. Turns out Depp was the one being abused by this horrible woman. And shame on you all who jumped on the bandwagon.. its because of women like Heard that we dont get taken seriously when these incidents actually do happen!

Marge- at the point that this thread was started, Heard was the accuser and won her case.

There is more going on now and if it is true that Depp was also / was a victim of DV, then his case should be looked at too.

Do you have a link to the evidence?

DV and EA is nothing to be sneered at. All accusations should be taken seriously IMO.

Oh and the -
"Vanessa Paradis said he was the perfect gentleman to her! "

I'm ashamed to say I did initially believe Amber to be lying because Vanessa said that about him because they were together so long etc but of course that's not proof of anything that he did or did not do to Amber. Johnny Depp seems to have gone off the rails anyway since him and Vanessa split up

It's misogyny that means women aren't believed when they report domestic abuse. Not the very unusual cases where a false allegation is made.

Of course we don't know whether this allegation is false or not at the moment, seeing as its currently a court case.

I just think its sad that his reputation has been dragged through the mud for years, when it looks like he was the victim of domestic abuse. Its all over social media.

The new photos and evidence were released to the public on Tuesday, revealing Depp was abused by his ex-wife Amber Heard. The latest evidence came to light as Depp sued Heard for $50 million for defamation. The new pictures released show Depp’s face with a huge black bruise, and a haunting photo of his finger, half chopped off. Depp also submitted 87 surveillance camera videos to the court, 17 depositions of witnesses (which includes police officers), along with the images.

The photos are sickening, and I hope she gets dragged through the courts for the way she's behaved. Women like this make me so angry, makes it 1000x harder for real abuse victims to be taken seriously!

Im guessing you all feel kinda stupid now for hammering Depp and believing Heard?

I don’t, not that I was on here originally. I’m not sure there is clear evidence revealed yet? Depp has had many issues in recent years with lawsuits and others accusing him of physical abuse also. I imagine the fact she has had success with Aquaman while he missed out on another Pirates movie has something to do with him doing this, even though he agreed to pay her and issue a joint statement which included the words: nobody did this for financial gain. I’m not sure why he didn’t bring this all up during their divorce, but I shall reserve judgement on his quite high damages request, until we actually see what a judge makes of it. As a child of DV, his behaviour is very very familiar.

Amber Heard has released a statement confirming she has given away the settlement

What actually happened is instead of giving it to her as agreed, he paid it directly to the charities- which is a tax benefit to him.

The photo of his finger has been around for a couple of years at least. It was originally alleged that he did it to himself whilst throwing glass bottles around in the middle of a row. He then allegedly used the cut off bit to write in paint accusations of an affair.

He seems to now be saying that this was all staged by Heard.

I will wait and see how this all plays out. One thing is clear, their relationship was not a healthy normal one and they are both better off going their separate ways.

Believing that one woman who lies means that all women are likely to lie is deep misogyny. So many men are shown to be liars and this is never said of them.

AssassinatedBeauty

Correct. None of the photos or accusations against her are new- only that previously him and his PR team said she was making it up for financial gain ( later retracted in a statement ) and now they’ve switched to: its a hoax to get sympathy and work.

I’m not sure if it was posted earlier here, but there are plenty of articles about his lawsuits with his previous, respected, management and accountants. He made quite outrageous accusations against them and none were upheld. I also read an interview with him and he really is not good at taking responsibility for his own actions, things to do with money and expenditure. He blames everyone else for the fact his lifestyle means he needs to make $40 million a year just to cover costs.

I was actually saying the opposite, I dont think the fact that one woman has lied then means that we ignore all women, I was saying that a high profile case like this where she is lying makes it a lot more difficult for women who have suffered abuse to be taken seriously, which is why it makes me so mad!

I think the fact that his defense has got so many witnesses now under oath stating what really happened, will be the downfall of Heard, and I hope she gets the book thrown at her.

I dont think we can discount the statements from his ex's, both of which state he was never violent in 20 plus years. Are we to believe her suddenly turned into a raging abuser when he met Heard? Interesting that Heard herself was arrested for domestic violence in 2009 against her former partner! Punching her in an argument!

The financial situation is murky too, if you look at the divorce documents showing her monthly 'expenses' were 44,000, for rent and clothes! Which was why initially she was after 50,000 a month spousal support from him. This was when the backlash about 'gold digging' started.

I dont think we can discount the statements from his ex's, both of which state he was never violent in 20 plus years.

Yes we can. Michael Jackson’s family and friends are also defending him. Abusers don’t abuse everyone they come into contact with. Johnny wasn’t always an alcoholic, alcohol can really change a person.

He was slurring his way through interviews during his relationship with Amber. I had no problem believing that he was treating her differently than he'd treated past partners. He Had the appearence and behaviour of a junky at that point. Dv is exacerbated by drink and drugs

I'd feel "kinda stupid" searching and bumping an old thread from two years ago to shout aha about an old drunk wife beater. There's pathetic and then there's this.

User07734

Statements from previous partners are meaningless. It tells you absolutely nothing about the events within their marriage.

And you are absolutely buying into the idea that one woman lying is representative of all women. That's why you're so angry at Heard, rather than at all the misogynist tools who leap on this to shout "aha!!!".

Are you as equally outraged at Jussie Smollet? Have you posted about that?

Thats not true, drinking and drugs doesnt mean that the person will then turn into a violent abuser. If that person is someone who has a history of abuse then drinking and drugs will probably make it worse, but Depp has no history of domestic abuse, in 20 plus years. Heard was arrested for domestic abuse of an ex in 2009, whats her excuse? As far as I know she doesnt have a drink or drug habit.

Jacksons family denying his actions isnt comparable to ex wives coming out and saying he was never violent. If anything, they'd be more willing to throw him under the bus.

Sadly I think all of this was for monetary gain initially, and now the evidence is coming out I hope that Heard pays for what she's done to the cause, because of her how many other genuine women will be doubted? Its sickening.

drinking and drugs doesnt mean that the person will then turn into a violent abuser. it often does though.

What about other children that spent time with Michael who defend him still? That’s a comparable example. Again, an abuser does not abuse everyone they come into contact with. A rapist doesn’t rape every women they come into contact with. It’s an extremely poor argument you’re making. It’s how abusive men get off crimes all the time.

Depp's legal team believes Heard fabricated her claims in an effort to propel her career as the#MeToo movementwas in full swing.
Was #metoo in full swing in 2016?

Was #metoo in full swing in 2016?

Exactly. No in 2016 they accused her of doing it for financial gain, later retracted as part of the settlement given to charities.

Sadly I think all of this was for monetary gain initially, and now the evidence is coming out I hope that Heard pays for what she's done to the cause, because of her how many other genuine women will be doubted? Its sickening.

Well you seem to be very gleefull about the idea that people will regret supporting her. And thinking we should feel stupid in doing so despite all credible evidence for believing her.

So I don't actually believe you are upset women will be doubted.

Or should we only doubt women married to men you have a sad crush on?

I believe Amber. I will not say sorry for saying I believed her when it forst came out and I will not say sorry now. I’m a survivor and I find it fucking unbelievable how nasty people can be to you once you get the strength to say “yes, this has happened to me”.

I believe Amber

We've seen evidence that the has been drunk pirate wannabe was abusive. If she was also violent that would just prove they had an awful volatile relationship but he was still abusive. We have no reason to believe he was anything but what he showed us to be.