These women have no idea what feminism is really about, do they?

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I'm not sure why the Indy felt the need to go down this route for IWD. Some of these women sound like MRAs

www.independent.co.uk/voices/international-women-s-day-2016-we-spoke-to-the-women-who-won-t-be-celebrating-a6917506.html

slugs I'm an atheist but I'm popping over to the christian forum to tell them they're silly and there's no God..... coming?

I also don't understand why people who aren't feminist by their own admission come on threads here and either wilfully misunderstand or make snide comments about "feminists". If you aren't a feminist, piss off to chat and make your points over there rather than trolling threads here. Its frustrating

And yet again. If I don't call myself a feminist I can't have an opinion on issues that affect women.

You apparently don't understand the concept of "discussion". It does mean agreeing with everything.

slugs I'm an atheist but I'm popping over to the christian forum to tell them they're silly and there's no God..... coming?

No one said you were silly. This is a discussion forum. It is not a radical feminist forum. The idea that it is impossible to discuss issues such as abortion, porn , prostitution unless one is a "feminist " is so narrow minded.

Posie, quite a few posters regularly and repetitively go onto the religious forum to tell people that there is no god.

What is your point?

What I really don't understand is women who appear to believe staunchly in everything feminists believe in but reject the term. I have asked lots of times for an explanation of this but no luck!

There are women who don't agree with the basic tenets of feminism and obviously they wouldn't want to call themselves feminist. But if you believe that women should have equal treatment in employment, education, society and in the law and autonomy over their bodies why would you not want to call yourself a feminist?

Hey thats not fair.

Poor Alass really, really wants to discuss issues such as abortion, porn and prostitution and can't find anyone to discuss it with except on the damn feminism chat section. Have some sympathy.

Alass, why not start a thread in chat, Aibu, or anywhere if you are that annoyed that threads in feminism keep er being hijacked by er feminists. Or perhaps ask Mumsnet if they could start a Woman's section for non-feminists that you and itall could dominate?

What I really don't understand is women who appear to believe staunchly in everything feminists believe in but reject the term. I have asked lots of times for an explanation of this but no luck!

But I don't agree with a great deal of what is discussed on here. Are you suggesting disagreement is not allowed? Is what you want a thread where everyone just goes "Oh yes OP, you are so right, that is terrible"

The question of what is so off-putting about the term has been discussed many times on MN.

Neither itall or I are asking for our views to dominate. That is a ridiculous suggestion and hardly likely to happen is it? But Helmet yet again your only response is- "oh you're not allowed in here-we're feminists"

You're allowed in here. You're the one who keeps LYING and saying people are saying You must not post.

Its just very very peculiar that you keep posting in the feminism section and yet seem annoyed that you are having discussions with feminists.

When you say 'you don't age with a great deal of what's discussed on here' that, to me, equates to 'I don't agree with what the feminists are saying'.

So why insist on posting here if you just want to argue? Every thread becomes you angrily derailing because you disagree with feminism.

Why do that? I'm really not into cookery but I don't feel the need to keep popping onto cookery threads and angrily keep telling them I disagree with their cookery methods.

You don't want discussion, you just want to be allowed to keep derailing and telling feminists they're wrong, wrong, wrong.

"But I don't agree with a great deal of what is discussed on here. Are you suggesting disagreement is not allowed?"

No of course not. But I frankly don't know what it is you disagree with! You seem to me to be a committed feminist who for some reason just doesn't like the word.

I've posted before about the entry criteria for being a feminist. I think you cannot call yourself a christian unless you believe that jesus was the son of god, and by extension that there is a god. To be a feminist, you must believe that women require more help than men in our society, (i.e. to get into employment, throughout education, quotas and the like), and that we live in a patriarchy, whatever you take that to mean exactly. You might agree with many things that feminists say, but unless you believe these fundamental things, you are not a feminist. In other words if you do not believe that you are at a significant sociological disadvantage by dint of your born sex, you are not a feminist.

" In other words if you do not believe that you are at a significant sociological disadvantage by dint of your born sex, you are not a feminist.". And you don't think this?

No, i do not feel at a significant disadvantage to men or boys, never have.

Bertrand
No of course not. But I frankly don't know what it is you disagree with! You seem to me to be a committed feminist who for some reason just doesn't like the word

I was going to reply at length but itall has covered it. I disagree with the way feminism is so negative. Some of the replies on the would you rather be a man thread were so depressing-and not for the reasons you might find them depressing.

Frankly the patriarchy can sit back and fold its arms and do nothing given there are so many women telling their daughters life will be shit and it's all stacked against them.

You might agree with many things that feminists say, but unless you believe these fundamental things, you are not a feminist. In other words if you do not believe that you are at a significant sociological disadvantage by dint of your born sex, you are not a feminist

That sums up my view too.

Lass, you're on another thread this evening supporting a woman who is being drawn into a classic patriarchal family structure. But you say here that women are at no disadvantage.

Your strong views on porn and prostitution show that you think that societal structures are damaging to women, but you're siding with itlall who says that women already have full equality.

The cognitive dissonance is bizarre.

Why do people here, when they reference other threads on the site, so commonly (in comparison to other places) provide no link to the thread they reference?

Are you asking me, DadAwHere?

In this case, because I don't see why it would be remotely helpful.

Lass, you're on another thread this evening supporting a woman who is being drawn into a classic patriarchal family structure. But you say here that women are at no disadvantage

What one is that? If you mean the one about sharing childcare I don't see it that way. It's another "wife-work" thread. Another , it's easier to let the situation arise and then complain about it than avoid it happening in the first place.

What is amusing about this thread are comments like this

But don't let me stand in the way of your tedious, ongoing, anti-feminist crusade
followed by Palmer and Lilac in same vein. Had they actually bothered to read what I said all I was commenting on was the fact I thought your posts were misinterpreting what itllall had said. I had actually said nothing one way or another about feminism or IWD.