The "daughter" who murdered her father who had MS

[AskBasil]

Is actually his son.

fancy sharing a cell with this bloke?

This is really serious, violent crime figures are going to be totally distorted as more and more men claim they are women and statisticians meekly record them as such.

[Icompletelyunderstand]

I think I might start feeling like a dog and I'll cock my leg and piss up trees in public because I really feel deep down that I am a Golden Retriever born in the wrong body.

There could be all sorts of fun with this idea of defining as what you like without having to take any steps to show that you are actually making a very real attempt to physically transition to the thing you say you are. It would be hilarious if it were not so frightening.

In the case of Claire, Claire should have been described in court and in the media as a man who goes by the self given name of Claire and chooses to live as a woman, but as that won't appease the bleeding hearts and assumes that we even need or deserve an explanation of Claire's gender identity perhaps we should just start referring to people like Claire as a 'person'. Maybe that should be the law and the most you are entitled to demand unless and until you have had gender reassignment surgery.

So the accepted norm would be that we use sex neutral and gender neutral descriptors and the article linked could read as follows:

Adult Offspring found guilty of murdering father with MS

A carer who said they suffocated their father with a plastic bag because of his "intolerable" multiple sclerosis has been found guilty of murder.

The person who calls themselves Claire Darbyshire, 36, said they killed their father Brian, 67, at their home in Wykeham Green, Dagenham, on 2 September 2015 as part of a failed suicide pact.

The person was found the next evening wandering around clifftops in Kent, asking for help.
The Old Bailey jury unanimously found the person guilty. They had denied murder.

Mr Darbyshire, a father of two, had developed MS in 1995 and lost his wife Lynn in 2008.

His adult offspring had become his full-time carer when he became bed-ridden in 2014.

Prosecutor Jonathan Rees QC said the person who calls themselves Ms Darbyshire had come to an "agreement" with their father that they would kill themselves; because of his condition and because they would have nothing to live for once their father had gone".

However, jurors heard that Mr Darbyshire had never expressed suicidal thoughts or complained about being in pain to nurses who visited him.
Mr Rees said a woman who worked in a jewellery shop where the person calling themselves Ms Darbyshire volunteered had also noticed they was "more and more stressed" and complained about having to look after their father.

After killing him the person took a train to Dover. They were found the next day on the White Cliffs by a National Trust worker.
Mr Darbyshire's body was discovered by police on 10 September, eight days after the killing, after a neighbour raised the alarm.
Police found him in bed dressed in a suit, with a teddy bear and several notes written by his adult offsrping which praised him as a "wonderful" man and said: "He asked me to help him end it".
White Cliffs of DoverImage copyrightReuters
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The person calling themselves Ms Darbyshire was found wandering along the White Cliffs by a National Trust worker
In a statement to police, the person said their father had "got to the stage where he couldn't stand the misery of his life and the indignity of it any more".
However, Scotland Yard said the person never mentioned their father's death or the suicide pact until five days later.
Paul Keleher, the person's defence lawyer, had argued that the person's actions amounted to assisting suicide rather than committing an unlawful killing.
However, the jury rejected the lesser offences of manslaughter or assisting a suicide.

THIS STATEMENT OF EXPLANATION BELOW WOULD BECOME UNNECESSARY AND REDUNDANT.

Ms Darbyshire was born Christopher, but changed her name to Claire by deed poll in 2008 and has lived as a woman for many years.

Nothing in the wording of that article could be argued with. Nothing insists or implies that Claire is a man. It just refuses to accept or acknowledge Claire's insistence that Claire is a woman, while Claire still has a penis and male levels of testosterone coursing through Claire's body.

As for 'cis woman' it's not an actual thing it's merely a ideological concept. You can call me a 'cis woman' all you like but I will dismiss it as nothing more than your crank ideology, which is to try to redefine sex beyond a matter of basic biology.

'Cis woman' isn't what I am and it never will be. It's what you want me to be, what you wish I were in order to justify what you say you are. That isn't my ideology, it's just a cold hard fact.

If you need a prefix to define what you are, and how you feel inside in a way that other people can understand, that's fine, crack on, but leave my biological sex and gender identity out of it, thanks. I won't redefine my actual, physical, biological, sexually reproductive self to support someone else's minority view that being a woman is all in the head and reproductive organs and genitalia are irrelevant.

[MrsJamin]

Icompletelyunderstand I agree totally! No one can redefine the word woman!

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

No one can redefine the word woman!

Words have been redefined frequently over the course of history. if enough people begin to use the 'new' meaning, particularly the younger generations, that's all it takes.

I'm incredibly unhappy about the trans-activist agenda but I'm also aware that I'm in the minority and that it is likely to become reality - all be it one that is quickly reversed when the risks become apparent

[Snowshimmer]

Hm. I wonder how often female trans people are called men in media. Not transmen, just men.

[BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts]

What, you mean like the man prosecuted for sex by deception because he used a fake penis?
Oh no, i remember, that was reported as a woman. Not even transman.

[BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts]

As always, you can "identify" down the privilege ladder (man>woman, white>black, able>disabled, older>young), yet try identifying up.

[PandoesnotwearRaphaclothes]

What is meant by the term "lived as a woman..for a number of years" - what does 'lived as a woman' actually mean?

[VertigoNun]

I gather Tara Hudson lives as a woman, someone may link you to the adult world account.

[PandoesnotwearRaphaclothes]

"adult world account"....I think I'm too young for that, from the sound of it.

[BunnyTyler]

Everybody knows what it is to live like a woman!

It means giving your breasts as much exposure as possible - if they are small, buy bigger! Wear plunging necklines at all times, ensure you are never without a full face of contoured make-up and make sure you wear your hair looooong.
Anything that shows off your womanly curves is good, and always accentuate with heels because heels are womanly.
Affect coquettish mannerisms and try to pretend you live in the 1950s.

That's how woman are, everyone knows this, surely?!

[BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts]

Dont forget to keep your elbows in!

[VertigoNun]

[LoveBoursin]

Pretty can I ask a question please?

I want to know from someone who supports transpeople.
If a woman still has working uterus and periods and wants to be pregnant, all of which is very much a woman's thing to do, can they call themsleves a transman or a man? Do cis men ever dream about being pregnant for example?

Then if a man has a working penis and is using it for sexual pleasure (eg wanking on someone else underwear, rape etc), can they call themselves a transwoman/a woman, when all of those are very much a man desire (a woman will never dream about having a penis, getting hard etc...)?

I can understand why someone would feel more comfortable 'in the other sex' but then I expect them to do more than just changing clothes or having a feminine name. I expect them to NOT want what would make them a man/a woman, ie erection and periods.
I can understand why one would dress up in the other gender if they wish. Tbh I don't care if a man wants to wear high hills and a skirt. I personally find that a pain in the arse but if that floats their boat so be it.
I do not accept that a skirt is enough to make a woman. Or I want to be treated like a man (with all the privileges) if I wear a pair of trousers

[VertigoNun]

news.sky.com/story/1659535/butcher-dentist-broke-jaws-and-ripped-out-teeth

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

The meaning of the term "living as a woman" (or socially transitioning) seems to vary widely.

The recently crowned Miss trans-woman Uk was subsequently stripped of their title because they were seen wearing men's boxer shorts. Apparently, underwear plays an important part of being a woman (that's not my opinion, that was the statement made by the event organisers). Crudely put, the winner was subsequently judged not to be trans enough to be eligible for the title!
However, other socially-transitioned people don't adopt a stereotypically female appearance.

In Claire Darbyshires case, as she was a recluse, her socially transition took place behind closed doors.

I guess it varies from person to person - they are transitioning to become their perception of what a 'woman' is. Each trans-woman views womanhood differently, just as each woman does.

[BunnyTyler]

Vertigo

When in doubt, just ask Shania!!!

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

boursin I can't answer that as I don't consider myself as 'supporting' trans-people, and certainly can't speak for them.

The current trans-activist agenda is very much about redefining the term woman to include all the male 'feelings' you describe.

[BunnyTyler]

According to Shania Twain, the following is attributed to 'feeling like a woman':

The best thing about being a woman
Is the prerogative to have a little fun*
*
Men's shirts-short skirts

Color my hair-do what I dare

We don't need romance-we only wanna dance

We're gonna let our hair hang down


Go Shania!!!

Man! I feel like a woman!


This is how one 'feels like a woman'!!

[LoveBoursin]

Does it mean the definition of what a man is also include periods etc?
I really doubt it does

[Snowshimmer]

^What, you mean like the man prosecuted for sex by deception because he used a fake penis?
Oh no, i remember, that was reported as a woman. Not even transman.^

Yeah I think it's telling that she wasn't reported as a man in media, when a male murderer was reported as a woman.

Dont forget to keep your elbows in!
I tried to press my elbows against my body and do a dainty pose, I ended up t-rexing

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

Does it mean the definition of what a man is also include periods etc?

Well, maybe. Although it's not clear, I agree.

Some of the trans-activist arguments have been that biological sex is a social construct and that babies should be labelled as the gender that they feel they are. I'm not sure what age they feel that a baby can self-identify, but given that preschool DCs are now socially transitioning, I imagine it's pretty young.

Gender neutral sex education is in the manifesto of one of the NUS Women's Officer candidates. This would remove any reference to biological sex during sex education, instead referring to people - some people have penises, some people have periods, and when a person with a penis has sex with a person with a vagina, the person with the vagina might become pregnant.

[LyndaNotLinda]

I got a reply to my complaint today (it's above but this is what I sent - In your reports about Claire Derbyshire, the murderer, you have repeatedly referred to them 'living as a woman'. Please could you clarify what that means? I know this individual has previously been convicted of entering their friend's house and masturbating into her underwear which is not something I think a woman has ever done. ):

The BBC's response.
With regards to our reporting on the Clare Derbyshire case, it has been widely reported that Clare although born as a man, had spent her entire life living as a woman. We cannot comment on the allegations you make about any other potential activities she may have been involved in, however, we remain assured that our reporting has been accurate. I hope this clarifies our position.

So, not only has he not answered the question, he also seems to have a tentative grasp on the English language if he can happily spout that 'she's spent her entire life living as a woman'. I wonder when he thinks life begins? And he's spelt her name wrong. And doesn't seem to understand the difference between allegation and conviction.

[BunnyTyler]

Write back!

Return a copy of his letter with all the errors highlighted and corrected, and then ask him to please answer your original questions, but bullet point them so each one is obvious that it requires answering.

[LyndaNotLinda]

I think I will Bunny. I'm really pissed off (although googling his name, it seems like this is a fairly common response. I suspect he doesn't actually exist) at the response - not least because it's clear no one bothered to proofread it.