The "daughter" who murdered her father who had MS

[AskBasil]

Is actually his son.

fancy sharing a cell with this bloke?

This is really serious, violent crime figures are going to be totally distorted as more and more men claim they are women and statisticians meekly record them as such.

[LyndaNotLinda]

There was a really interesting science programme on radio 4 yesterday that said that they think all cells in our bodies are sexed. Or st lest an awful lot of them. Because they're required to perform in different ways according to the things our bodies need to do.

[LyndaNotLinda]

Hennifer - that's a great deconstruction and spot on

[VincentVanLowe]

Trans activists claim that no man would ever identify as trans just to get into a refuge or women's toilet etc. (Then of course when a man who identifies as trans commits a crime in a refuge or toilet they say he's a man faking being trans. ..)

Anyway, they say men would never identify as transfer to get into a refuge. So Maria Miller's recent report -the one where only trans activists were invited to have any input and women who submitted concerns were called bigots -recommends that current legislation is changed so that womens refuges can't refuse a man who identifies as trans.

But like - women's refuges have had to keep their address secret to stop women from being followed there after escaping abusive men. Anyone with even the slightest awareness of male violence in the home knows that violent male husbands and boyfriends will do anything to maintain control over the women and children they abuse. Identifying as trans - which according to existing legislation requires only that they '"propose to .. undergo a (personal, social or medical) process to change their gender" - seems like no effort at all compared to the extreme lengths abusive men will go to.

What if the abusive man turns up and also claims to need to enter the same refuge? Who protects the woman inside from him, when they can't turn him away? Does he take priority now that he identifies as a minority group and she is a bog standard 'cis' woman?

My mind boggles at how stupid and privileged the people waving this through and calling it 'social justice' must be.

[Valanice1989]

2013 - there were 85.5k men in prison and 3.9k women. Roughly 165 of those men are inside for sexual offences while there are only 3 women. Three. All you need is 3 MTT to be convicted of sexual offences and recorded as women and you've doubled the numbers overnight.

That really puts things into perspective. Darbyshire is the second British MtF sex offender who's been in the media over the last few weeks (rapist Davina Ayrton, formerly David, is the other one). If gender identity becomes the deciding factor in where to place prisoners, they'll have to build new prisons anyway - there won't be enough room for all these "women".

[Hennifer]

That quote was regarding the incident with the knickers, not the murder, just to be clear.

[HeyNonnyMaybe]

Yep, honestly! I either heard it on the Eddie Mair headlines or on the six. Can't remember which, but I was driving home. They also used the phrase "forced" to spend the remand time in a male prison.

[GrimyaTheFaithful]

I've just had a massive rant about all of this to my DP. Feeling extremely emotional about the whole fucking 'pretending to be a woman therefore I am' religion.

We both heard the news report earlier today on the radio. There was absolutely no mention that Claire was biologically male. I read the article online and saw the picture, and showed my DP. I just laughed, because yesterday I'd been trying to talk to him about the male Anna Lee who is running for Women's office at the NUS and he was very dismissive of it all.

I think my rant just now has made him see that actually this really is becoming a serious issue for all women and we need to wake up to what new religion is being imposed upon us all, step by step. If this man is allowed into a women's prison, it would be one more step towards a future where biological males who enjoy wanking into women's underwear are legitimately allowed by law to enter female spaces where you or your daughters might be naked, vulnerable or simply want to know that everyone around you has that shared experience of being female.

I actually used to live on the street that this man used to work on. I moved away a long time ago, but if I hadn't, and somehow he had been my friend and had decided to break into my house.. I can't imagine how his victim must have felt.

[VestalVirgin]

Trans activists claim that no man would ever identify as trans just to get into a refuge or women's toilet etc.

Oh, really?

I suppose I should move to Scotland, as No True Scotsman would ever commit a crime against a woman. Must be completely safe there!

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

Perhaps all the women in prison who might be housed with someone who identifies as female, can identify as innocent and be released.

All for a TW unit and a TM unit. It makes sense and is fair on everyone. Plus it would enable any specialist support that TW prison population need to be better delivered.

[BunnyTyler]

Am still struggling with how someone 'lives as a woman'.
What does it entail exactly?

I cannot honestly remember the last time I put on a frock, or wore my hair long.
Am I doing 'being a woman' wrong

Also cannot recount a time when it ever occurred to me to wank into someone's knickers.

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

thefaithful. I had a similar conversation with my DH earlier this week. He says it's as if his eyes have suddenly been opened to the battles women are fighting.

Like many men and women, he's been so conditioned to misogyny, while at the same time, believing the rhetoric that "women have never had it so good" that he hadn't seen it. To be fair, until recently, neither did I

If nothing else, what cases like Debbie's has done is raised awareness. They are so extreme, so blatant, that they can no longer be overlooked, even by those who have been blind up until now.

[WandaFuca]

I’ve just looked again at the Daily Mail article, but specifically at all the comments that have been published – the DM is moderating the comments on their article prior to publication.

There are comments about how hard it is for MS sufferers, and how we should have something like Dignitas here – with, I think, one comment pointing out that there was no evidence that the father had expressed the desire to end his life.

There are comments about how hard it is to be the sole full-time carer – with one comment from a man who had looked after his wife with dementia, saying that it must be much harder for a weaker woman to care for her disabled father.

Some were saying this was a travesty of justice because it was surely a “poor woman” reaching the end of her tether.

No comment about the restraining order for the break-in and soiling episode.

No comment about the photo looking like a bloke.

I know that the Daily Mail isn’t regarded as a bastion of accuracy, but it does get read by a lot of people, and that will affect how a large swath of the general public perceive this issue.

It’s as though history is being re-written before it actually gets written.

[Owllady]

MS is a horrible disease :( and being a carer, especially with no support, is devastating - so hard
I'm half wondering if I've missed the bloody point of this thread/issue

[Owllady]

Oh I see it's in feminism
I've had a migraine all day and have taken heavy duty drugs

[OhShutUpThomas]

It might be hard Owl, but that doesn't give you licence to kill.

It's a basic rule of our society. You don't kill people. Not even if they're inconveniencing you. Not even if you're having a hard time.

[BeyondBootcampsAgain]

My husband is my carer with no support, it wouldnt justify him suffocating me with a plastic bag. Of all the allegedly sympathetic deaths you could give someone you love, this man chose to put a plastic bag over the head of his disabled father. It is sickening.

[BeyondBootcampsAgain]

Just for disclosure, i do agree with assisted suicide. All evidence says this was not that though.

[HairyLittleCarrot]

OwlLady
This convicted murderer who killed his father also had a previous conviction for breaking into the house of a woman and masturbating in her underwear.

I've no doubt that being a carer is a strain. But the jury had no doubt that this was a murder, not a mercy.

And given that this murdering sex offender who ejaculated into some poor woman's knickers after breaking into her house is a. Receiving sympathy and b. Being reported as unquestionably a woman and c. Likely to receive public support to be placed in a women's prison, feminists find this to be something worth discussing.

[Owllady]

Sorry, I'd only read the BBC article. Completely take your points, I've been rather naive.

[OhShutUpThomas]

After reading the news though, I thought the same as you first Owl. It's manipulating propaganda.

[scallopsrgreat]

Support for carers is another feminist issue. It may have prevented this man's death. However his killer was violent before he murdered.

[BeyondBootcampsAgain]

I linked it in the wring thread earlier, but here is the article from the times

Who wants to play "spot the missing facts"?

[Owllady]

I had missed the point. Diazepam isn't always wonderful now I'll have to bleach my Brian

[HairyLittleCarrot]

It's like dare or double dare isn't it? There is literally no crime heinous enough that someone somewhere will absolve on account of it being committed by a MTT.

I don't understand how people suspend their morality so spectacularly.

[HairyLittleCarrot]

Awkward post juxtaposition OwlLady - my last post was in response to WandaFuca's post.