The "daughter" who murdered her father who had MS

[AskBasil]

Is actually his son.

fancy sharing a cell with this bloke?

This is really serious, violent crime figures are going to be totally distorted as more and more men claim they are women and statisticians meekly record them as such.

[Mide7]

Or they are just trying to keep everyone happy.

Saying nothing about her sex isn't right
Calling her a woman isn't right
Calling her a man isn't right
Calling her a trans woman isn't right.

[msrisotto]

I'm not sure actual real trans women do disagree with the term trans woman do they?

[LumpySpacedPrincess]

Can you even imagine if a blacked up white bloke committed a crime and the crime was reported as "Black man kills father." People would be up in arms.

[Icompletelyunderstand]

I don't think a man should be legally or officially recognised as a woman until he has had hormone treatment and reassignment surgery.

To allow someone to legally define as the opposite sex while still retaining the genitals of the sex they were assigned at birth just because they say they the feel like a woman opens up the potential for all sorts of abuses of the system by very calculating, psychopathic predatory men.

[Lottapianos]

Totally agree Lumpy. People were indeed up in arms when it turned out last year that a white woman , Rachel Dolezal, had been identifying as a black woman for years. But a man says that he is actually a woman and we're all supposed to accept it and be totally cool with it. As other posters put it so beautifully, its utter bullshit. Total and utter bullshit and I'm getting totally sick of it

[Helmetbymidnight]

I identify and indeed live my life as a male Russian oligarch (despite having no penis/no Russian/and no money) here's hoping that if I'm ever in the news that's how people will refer to me. Vladimir.

[Lottapianos]

Ok Vladimir Your example is funny but it shows how utterly ridiculous the situation is. You cannot just decide to 'identify' as something that you very clearly are not, or at least, you can decide to identify as X but you can't expect anybody else to take you seriously. Except apparently for men who decide that they 'identify' as women No. Just no. Enough.

[JillyTheDependableBoot]

Any thoughts on this story?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-teen-wins-right-cut-7533712

A 16-year-old FTM has won the right to be removed from his adoptive parents because they refused to acknowledge his "male" identity.

Very sad for the parents and for the child, who seems to have had a difficult life (adopted at 6, so presumably spent time in care, and who knows what their life was like before this).

There's little background given on why the parents took the attitude they did - it would be interesting and helpful to know more.

[SomeDyke]

"we're all supposed to accept it and be totally cool with it."

Not even just that, we're expected to keep telling you how brave you are, and make sure you get special awards (think Caitlyn, and Jack who got a womens award whilst loudly proclaiming they weren't one!), and then make sure you get surgery and hormones in jail, and make sure you get put in a jail that accords with your proudly-proclaimed jenduh, despite the fact that you're a convicted murderer (current case), or a convicted rapist (Davina case), or just a violent male with some sexy breast implants and a seven-inch surprise...............

And those are only the recent cases. Headline news in the past year or so?

[vindscreenviper]

No mention at al about Claire (or) Davina Ayton in this article in the Independent today, are they not feminine enough or is it because their crimes completely contradict the main narrative of the piece which claims that TW are completely harmless to women prisoners?

[BiologicalCrayon]

I'd love to see the BBC style guide's explanation for this.

Claire Darbyshire = "woman"
Davina Ayrton = "transgender woman"
Kyran Lee = "fake penis assault woman"

Anyone can be a woman if they say so. Sorry women, it doesn't work the other way round.

[IndominusRex]

There was a REALLY long article in the Indy today by paris lees about why all trans people should go to the prison of their identity and how it's only nasty TERFs who think otherwise. It focused mainly on Hudson and funnily enough failed to mention sex offenders Clare Derbyshire and Davina Taylor.

[IndominusRex]

Davina Ayrton sorry. And I've just realised vindscreen has already linked it. I'm not on the ball today!

[MamaMary]

I complained to the BBC about Today (Radio 4's) reporting of the Claire and got this response. I'll paste it here:

Dear MamaMary

Thank you for contacting us regarding Radio 4’s ‘Today’ which was broadcast on 26 February.

I understand you were unhappy that the report on the trial of Claire Darbyshire described the 36 year old carer as the “daughter” of Brian Darbyshire.

Whilst Claire Darbyshire was born a male with the name Christopher, she changed her name to Claire by deed poll back in 2008 and is pre-operative transgender. The manner in which we have referred to Ms Darbyshire reflects that of numerous other UK media outlets:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/26/carer-claire-darbyshire-guilty-murder-multiple-sclerosis-father
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12174501/Carer-who-suffocated-bedridden-father-is-found-guilty-of-murder.html
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/claire-darbyshire-multiple-sclerosis-murder-father-brian-dagenham-suffocate-plastic-bag-a6897346.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3465409/Carer-suffocated-father-67-lay-bedridden-multiple-sclerosis-convicted-murder.html

Nevertheless, I would like to assure you that we value your feedback on this matter. All complaints are sent to senior management and the team at ‘Today’ every morning and we included your points in this overnight report.

These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future output.

Thank you once again for getting in touch.
Kind regards

Terry Hughes
BBC Complaints

[MamaMary]

*of the Claire Darbyshire story

[PrettyBrightFireflies]

You cannot just decide to 'identify' as something that you very clearly are not, or at least, you can decide to identify as X but you can't expect anybody else to take you seriously. Except apparently for men who decide that they 'identify' as women hmm No. Just no. Enough.

What's happening in response to the "don't be ridiculous, you're not a woman" objections is that the meaning of the word "woman" is being changed in order for trans-woman to "fit" the definition.

The word "woman" No longer a word that means "a human adult with female gentialia". It is being used to describe a feeling - and therefore the gentialia of the person described as a woman are irrelevant.
Personally, I hate the term cis-woman; but, if that's what needs to happen to protect safe spaces for human females, then I'll live with it.

[BiologicalCrayon]

I feel the same about "cis", Pretty, but it leaves out FTT. There needs to be a word that means what woman/female means, even if it's just made for medical reasons. Woman/female work perfectly well at the moment, even for the editors at the BBC. No-one seriously believes that trans women are actually women.

Personally, I think the answer lies in educating the public on what trans woman/trans man means, so there's no confusion, and working towards making these valid subgroups within the sexes (ie trans women are a type of man) that transgender people are comfortable referring to themselves as, which many already are. Trying to strong-arm their way into a group they share no characteristics with will end badly for both parties.

[grimbletart]

No, no,no Pretty - don't accept Cis. Accept trans. It is not for women to redefine ourselves so a tiny minority of transwomen can pretend they are female.

[SomeDyke]

"It is not for women to redefine ourselves so a tiny minority of transwomen can pretend they are female."

YES! Just as no one expected black people to redefine themselves to admit Rachel Dolezal to their ranks...............

[IAmTheWhoreOfBabylon]

I'd rather be called bio woman or bio female than cis
Why should trans choose how to name the female sex

[BiologicalCrayon]

And yet, the BBC are going ahead with using "woman" for CD, without first bringing in the distinction between trans and cis (not that I agree with the word "cis", no woman is cis).

They're bunging us all in together, being trans just warrants one line near the end of an article about him.

Maybe if a woman commits a crime they'll have something like: "Ms Smith, a cis woman, was born an individual but started conforming to gender stereotypes in 2008 and has been living as a woman since"

[Lottapianos]

I hate 'cis' too. I can accept 'trans' and may even stretch to 'trans woman' but that is in no way the same as 'woman'. The term 'woman' needs to be respected and taken seriously. I can't believe I've just typed that sentence.

[PinkIndustry]

Again, on Radio 4 news on Thursday, no mention that Claire is a transwoman and has a previous conviction of a sexual nature. Astonishing! It was also reported that the judge accepted that the defendant genuinely thought the action was a "mercy" killing. I was very surprised at that! How could the judge accept that someone with a previous conviction which involved not respecting another person's privacy/property/boundaries was not acting in the same way in this case?

[CoteDAzur]

"The word "woman" No longer a word that means "a human adult with female gentialia". It is being used to describe a feeling - and therefore the gentialia of the person described as a woman are irrelevant."

Thankfully this is not yet the case.

If you look at any dictionary, the definition of "woman" is still "Adult human female" and "female" is still "Of the sex that can bear young or make eggs".

[BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts]

I'm beyond words that anyone would agree that suffication with a plastic fucking bag is a dignified and merciful death.