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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So Owen Jones is as full of shit as ever he was...

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CallaLilli · 21/10/2015 10:47

Here's his latest output for the Guardian. Note the penultimate paragraph where he claims to have been victimised by various Twitter feminists and has a very selective memory of what really happened.

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MyFavouriteClintonisGeorge · 23/10/2015 13:10

You know the history of the Stonewall club?

No, I don't. I asked a question because actually, I don't actually know whether or not this is accurate but realised I had assumed LGB activism had pre-dated trans activism.

Not everyone on these threads is apprised of the history, or posting to put the boot in.

Elendon · 23/10/2015 16:15

This from Stonewall

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/stonewalls-history

And in the introduction, it specifically states that it was set up to protect LGB

The aim from the outset was to create a professional lobbying group that would prevent such attacks on lesbians, gay and bi people from ever occurring again.

It has adopted trans but obviously the conception was to protect freedom from prosecution to sexual practices other than heterosexual practices.

To be honest, given it's set up was about sexuality other than heterosexual, I'm not sure why trans is now involved, but perhaps someone more knowledgable than me can inform me on this.

SacredHeart · 23/10/2015 19:28

Many of those in the stonewall riots were drag queens and trans. As many were people of colour and even in gay circles trans and drag queens are stigmatised their participation has been overshadowed by 'acceptable' white, gay men.

MyFavouriteClintonisGeorge · 24/10/2015 00:47

Ah, thanks, SacredHeart and Elendon.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 28/10/2015 19:10

Well, Owen Jones has just said on Twitter (after a bit of prodding) that calling people on their sexual preferences is "crass and stupid" and "if you don't want to sleep with someone don't sleep with them", which is nicely quotable as a rebuttal for the cotton ceiling, I think.

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