So Owen Jones is as full of shit as ever he was...

[CallaLilli]

Here's his latest output for the Guardian. Note the penultimate paragraph where he claims to have been victimised by various Twitter feminists and has a very selective memory of what really happened.

Bloody link doesn't work! Here it is again http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/20/trans-transphobia-will-young-brave-man

Woe is he, definitely.

I wish I had a column to deliberately and selectively misrepresent other people when they argue against me.

I know some of the feminists he's referring to and witnessed their interactions with him on Twitter at the time. He was asked why he'd allied himself with a certain feminist (can't quite remember who, possibly Stavvers) who claimed lesbians were transphobic if they didn't want to have sex with a trans woman who still had a penis. He was questioned on this and when he didn't seem to be getting the point they asked if he'd be willing to perform cunnilingus on a gay transman, as this was the equivalent. Cue OJ throwing all his toys out of the pram and resorting to repeating "TRANS WOMEN FTW". Odious little toad.

Owen only #listensandlearns when it's with women he deems non-problematic. And to think I used to like him. 'This generation's Orwell' indeed

His a right knob head. I used to like him till the twitter thing.

Orwell is doing somersaults in his grave.

I suppose the best that can be said about him is at least he isn't Ally Fogg.

I think that's known as damning with faint praise!

I used to like him too. Can anyone tell me what FTW means? I'm 28 and sure I should know that one but I'm not that sociable.

ftw = for the win. It's a gaming expression.

and OJ is a fucking lefty skidmark of a man, and lesbophobic to boot.

Owen Jones is such an idiot. He is outraged at the thought of a gay man being asked about cunnilingus on a transman ("transmen are men" said Owen Jones never) but lesbians are hateful and on the wrong side of history for not accepting penis as female. Either he is profoundly stupid or a hypocrite or a liar, as are his acolytes in the comments section.

He's a dick.

Owen Jones is a dickhead, he honestly believes he is some how immune to misogyny because he is gay.

At some point we need to talk frankly about misogyny within the gay community.

What was his response when he was asked why he supported the person who believes it's is transphobic for lesbians to not want to be with pre op trans people?
When has he been misogynistic and homophobic against lesbians? I'm interested as I've never seen him be like that.

He said transwomen are women and anyone who says they are not female will be on the wrong side of history.

Why do you not think trans people should be considered the gender they feel they are?

Woman/female and man/male are categories of biological sex. Gender can mean either:

• a polite word for sex
• a sense of internal identity
• roles or characteristics socially constructed as appropriate for women or men (feminine / masculine).

It's not possible to change sex. I don't believe in an internal gender identity and the third is a social construct.

Trans people should be treated with dignity and respect but that doesn't include pretending that they are actually the other sex and there is no difference between a person who translations to live as a member of the opposite sex and a member of that opposite sex.

What was his response when he was asked why he supported the person who believes it's is transphobic for lesbians to not want to be with pre op trans people?

He didn't give one, he merely blocked anyone who suggested it.

When has he been misogynistic and homophobic against lesbians? I'm interested as I've never seen him be like that.

On Twitter. See above.

He sees zero irony in his support of a TW who says that lesbians, in refusing to have sex with pre-op TW are transphobic, and yet when asked if he would perform cunnilingus on a pre-op TM started getting very angry because he's gay, and suggesting that gay men might do that is literally erasing gay men. Perfectly fine to expect lesbians to fellate TW though, not erasing in any way at all. Nuh-uh.

He also believes that men need porn. Need it. Can't survive without seeing women being abused for their titillation. When some women asked him why he thinks it's ok for women to be abused in this way for the dick-tingles of men, stated that those women were literally erasing his gay identity, and that gay porn didn't abuse women because it abuses men, I assume

Utterly failed to acknowledge that the majority of men are straight, and that the porn they need is going to have women being abused for dick-tingles, because he's gay. And anyone who asks him about those women being abused for the porn he believes men need is homophobic.

So either, he's a misogynist, or not very bright.

This is an interesting topic as in my sociology and social policy degree my lectures are looking at gender and owen's statement is definitely the line our lecturers take. That binary gender and sex is commonsense knowledge (shaped around religious and previous logic) to be questioned as much as when people knew it was "an absolute fact" the earth was flat.

This in mind I think more and more young people will be raised believing in multiple sex and gender and those who don't will become the "wrong side of history".

Some on here may know I am definitely an ally of trans*people (full disclosure to avoid the obligatory dirt digging). I think as long as people are respectful your personal take on gender and sex are your own and your preference of partner is also your own. But, I thought it was an interesting point to make that the academics teaching young minds are reinforcing these new ideas of sex and gender.

Only in social sciences, thankfully. Although, it's bad enough that sex fluidity is being taught in that context, where it's demonstrably false.

Full disclosure, I'm an ally of trans* people as well. I wholeheartedly believe they should have the same rights and responsibilities as any other member of society. I want them to have equal access to the healthcare they need. I want them to be able to live happy and fulfilled lives, free from violence and suicide. I'm just more concerned with male violence, and, until men can sort their violence out, I'd be a lot happier if male bodied people weren't wandering about in female spaces.

It was reasonable to think the earth was flat until evidence was found that it was not. The first evidence was the spherical shadow cast on the moon during an eclipse. Many people didn't believe this but ultimately it was proved conclusively by circumnavigation.

On the other hand we have ample evidence going back to the beginning of humankind that we are a sexually dimorphism species. A human with a penis does not produce eggs or bear young and a human with a vagina cannot impregnate anyone. What is the evidence that sex is constructed? There is none.

So in fact a better analogy would be that people are beginning to believe the earth is flat and the spherical earth is a construct.

The ideas presented are that we did initially believe that we were one gender and women were inferior (malformed) men who didn't have the heat in the womb to "pop" put or penis - this has now been proven false.

We have intersex and hermaphrodite children born that we now claim is a defirmity but this idea is slowly moving (Germany now allowing a third sex option on birth certificates). So it's not impossible to assume that instead of assuming that intersex are "mistakes" we may in future accept that they are another sex.

I point out (as I know how you love a debate Flora) I am relaying concepts being taught, I'm no where near sure how I feel about them.