Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

[AskBasil]

I thought that in order to get parole, the minimum you had to do was admit that you are actually guilty of the crime for which you've been imprisoned?

But Evans the rapist hasn't admitted that he's a rapist. He keeps saying he's innocent.

So why is he being released?

Is this normal now?

Do all prisoners automatically get early release for good behaviour even if they keep saying they didn't actually do the crime, therefore proving that the one thing that used to be a necessity for early release - remorse - is definitely missing?

[EveDallasRetd]

That website is pathetic. So one sided it's unreal. Although Twitter has been fab for counter arguements against all their claims. The mysogonistic bullshit being spouted under #justicforched, especially that from Massey and from Evans the Rapist's aunt is horrible. Although middle of last year was funny - apparently Ched couldn't be guilty because he fed seagulls chips! Enjoyed that one.

I believe her. The jury believed her. The judge believed her. The appeal judge believed her.

Only fools believe him.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Hup, if I was in the jury room, I might well have taken a different view on the first man's guilt. I would speculate that there was some discussion about what constituted reasonable doubt regarding his belief in her consent.

For a second man to have had no contact with her until after she was very drunk and to come in "cold" to the room and penetrate her is clearer cut for a jury, I believe. If he asked the first man if he could do so, it's possible the first man could have been charged with conspiracy to rape; I don't know if that's something the CPS pursued or not as they were going for a "direct" rape charge on both.

[Hup]

Er ... "Not accusing the girl here in anyway - but it wouldn't surprise me if it got overturned on appeal"

Yes obviously I believe he is innocent?!?!?!

I do think they should all have been found guilty or not as all are to blame not just one (fwiw I believe they should both have been found guilty), I think it's quite obvious which way I believe in the above by the statement 'how did they only find one guilty'.

I stand by the fact that I think they will use all of this to try and get the verdict overturned. Now that a further appeal has been discussed by his legal team.

[Hup]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-28385532

[Hup]

Just. I have not minimised it at all - the taking advantage of comment related to BOTH men, one of whom was not convicted of rape, but is equally as guilty, in my eyes. Nowhere have I said the man is innocent. Not once. Never. Nowhere.
I am not trumpeting the defence case, from the off I have said this is why I think his appeal will work - not that I agree with it. Quite the opposite. I think he should serve full term and longer. He should also never be in a position to be able to exploit his fame. However I still think that he will get the new appeal heard and they will go for the jugular of the girl. Call it being devil's advocate or whatever but I think the way media and the legal system work he will get this overturned (wrongly in my opinion).

[CaptChaos]

Nice try Hup.

This case though was very strange with 2/3 men being found innocent, with 2 being found as consensual - and the footballer being found guilty. It is this reason that he will try to get the verdict overturned.

1 man was found innocent. It has been explained to you why that was. They were both footballers iirc. Ched's friends were videoing him raping his victim. They tried to get the verdict overturned with that evidence, and failed, a couple of times, they have in fact exhausted their appeals to the high court.

Capt both men admitted to having consensual sex with the girl, she did not report the rape herself (just read the case info)

For someone who's just read the case info, you seem to know a hell of a lot about it.

I don't think the girls tweets helped though, where she talked if a big pay day coming her way! They will use these in the appeal as they were not used in original case.

There's no evidence these tweets exist. So, they can't use them in any appeal. But, you don't believe her.

Nobody actually knows what state she was in ....she was clearly sober enough on entering the hotel to walk straight and bend down to pick something up. There is no evidence of further drinking.

She was drunk. So, yes, they do know what state she was in. When her blood was tested... the next day? She was still 2.5 times over the legal driving limit. This suggests she was bladdered. But you don't believe her.


What it boils down to is a young girl being taken advantage of by a couple of men who should have known better, and the local police deciding to Persue that it was rape.

No, what it boils down to is that she was raped, and her rapist was, unusually for the crime, convicted. But you don't believe her.

I don't think she has helped herself by her tweets - she deleted messages from Facebook during the time she was in the room, that she had sent to friends as well .... So she must have been sober enough to know what she was doing there - and to delete them.

Evidence is not forthcoming for any of this. Her friends would still have the messages on their facebook, and they can be forced to show this in a court. It didn't happen. But, you don't believe her.

I have read many outlets on the information thank you, I am a balanced person who would never accuse.

So, which outlets did you read (if a lot of them) in such a short time?

Or that I am looking at the facts in support of the girl and what his appeal team will use against her? Or would you rather just read into my opinions what you want to?

I've read everything you've written, I've even quoted your words back to you above. And yes, you don't believe her.

[Hup]

Also all the info about this is readily available on many different websites and news sites.

[AnyFucker]

Hup your backtracking is making my skin crawl with embarassment for you.

[LineRunner]

Hup, please call rape what it is. Rape.

[Hup]

Captain chaos. I have never said I don't believe her. Ever. Just as I have not said he is innocent. I meant I just googled the case notes from the court, I have read about the case in depth due to the similarity to mine. I have read everything from news reports, police released information and yes even his ridiculously biased website. Nobody knows what state she was in because there was conflicting evidence to show her both drunk and sober. There is evidence the tweets exist and that she had sent messages on Facebook, however these have not been used.

And no capt i do not say anywhere that I don't believe her - that is your interpretation of what I have written.

[ButchCassidy]

Ched Evans is a rapist.
I believe his victim.

He has shown no remorse.

[Rinkydinkypink]

Considering how hard it is to get rapists convicted of their crime I can't help think people who are convicted of rape unequivocally did it! Personally I think if a woman does not consent at the actual time of the event for whatever reason then the man should not touch them.

I am horrified at those who think that simply because she was capable of walking into the hotel room then she must have consented. We have no idea when she had her last drink. I would also like to point out that drugged drinks do not necessary result in paralysis and can take up to 30 minutes to get into the victims system. The victims cannot remember the entire rapes but do know something is very wrong and that someone has had sex with them. It would explain the vomiting and unconscious state plus lack of detailed memory.

What he did was horrific. How dare he use a persons body in that way. No he should not live a life of privilege, riches and fame. It is completely unacceptable.

[Hup]

Thanks just, of course it's bullshit if you think it is. And anyfucker I am not embarrassed or backtracking.

Once again, I have never said he is innocent or that she is guilty. I used the phrase taken advantage of to refer to the men as a group who took advantage of her, and have referred to him as a rapist.

Jeez wish I hadn't bothered to have an opinion - on why I think the justice system will let her down.

[MorrisZapp]

If yiu had said at first that you think the justice system will let her down then fair enough. But your own words 'the girl didn't help herself' etc strike the absolute opposite tone. As for 'taken advantage' then the local police deciding to pursue as rape, what else would they pursue it as, if taken advantage of means raped?

You're at it.