Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

[AskBasil]

I thought that in order to get parole, the minimum you had to do was admit that you are actually guilty of the crime for which you've been imprisoned?

But Evans the rapist hasn't admitted that he's a rapist. He keeps saying he's innocent.

So why is he being released?

Is this normal now?

Do all prisoners automatically get early release for good behaviour even if they keep saying they didn't actually do the crime, therefore proving that the one thing that used to be a necessity for early release - remorse - is definitely missing?

[Wardy1611]

www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

Read it for the facts of the case, she was NOT spiked, although she did have traces of cocaine and cannabis.

A witness statement that came out as new evidence stated she had mentioned the same things on occasions before.

The porter reported the noise of a COUPLE having sex, surely a passed out woman would not be heard.

He needs to clear his name before becoming a footballer again

[LurcioAgain]

Bit more work required on your reading comprehension skills, Wardy. That's a careful examination of why these issues were considered in the application for an appeal, and why they were dismissed as not in any way undermining the original verdict, which (since you seem to have forgotten this) was a guilty verdict. Oh, and welcome to Mumsnet. Always nice to meet a single issue poster.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

Yeah, wardy, you might want to have a reread of the provenance of that piece of writing. It being the reasons why his appeal was disallowed an all that.

And a second welcome to MN, we really do love single issue posters here, especially when they are trying to make rapists look all fluffy and shit.

[YonicScrewdriver]

That same account of the case includes the judge's statement that it would've been obvious to the rapist Ched Evans that his victim did not have capacity to consent.

[YonicScrewdriver]

No, he was convicted. Haven't you read a newspaper, ever?

Now off you pop. There's a thread from 2012 about beards that you probably need to bump.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

Lol @ Yonic

[LilAnnieAmphetamine]

Some evil cunt has revealed his victims new identity.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

Why am I not surprised?

[cadno]

Suttoxi

He has been convicted. However his case has been referred and accepted by the Criminal Cases Review Commission. As far as I can see, his defence team believes it has new evidence that casts serious doubt on the complainant's evidence as to how drunk she might have been - both from further (?) expert opinion evidence based on her blood alcohol assay and CCTV evidence of her entering the hotel. If after all this, the Court of Appeal agree with the court of the first instance, he can hardly say he hasn't had a good crack of the whip.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

He really is an insufferable little bore.

[Jrfb]

Re Ched Evans.

Oh come now, lets get real!

Firstly, parole is normally only given where an "offender" atones for his crime. However, there are exceptions to this. Occasionally, the Parole Board may consider that there are genuine grounds to believe that a mis-carriage of justice might have occurred. In such circumstances they may grant full Parole. I have personal experience of this (nothing to do with rape). Yes, OK, so far, three Judges have refused to acknowledge that position or to grant Ched an appeal. In my case there were thirteen Judges who refused to grant an appeal. Yet the Home Secretary eventually reversed the conviction. Although I live in Norwich I do not know Ched Evans and am not a football fan. However, having read all of the news items on this matter it does seem that there is serious doubts here. It appears that the woman did not initially lodge any complaint (perhaps until persuaded to do so by the Police and/or to protect her "reputation". Did they want to "have a go" at Ched?). The only evidence that any sexual encounter took place (the "victim" could recall nothing) was volunteered by Ched Evans himself!?!

Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side. Both of us being too drunk to remember how this happened. So who took advantage of who? I guess its first come, first served. Or is it always the man who is to blame?

I always thought that sex was something that occurred through a natural and amicable chain of events. Sober or otherwise. In my youth, mobile phones did not exist. Had they been available then perhaps I could have got an E Mail or Texted, "permission" to have sex, beforehand. Is that what we have now arrived at in a "health and safety" sort of way?

How romantic.

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Finally, if he really was guilty (of what?), why was the other footballer, who also had sex with the girl, found not guilty. Should all this really prevent Ched from getting on with his life by continuing in his chosen profession?
He's done his time, deservedly or not.

As I said "lets get real"

[PetulaGordino]

"Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side"

An unknown female what? Fish, dog, llama, human?

[JeanSeberg]

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Because they're scumbag arsehole rape apologists who think that money can buy you anything you want?

[Chapsview]

This ain't going to end well for Jrfb is it......

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Oh come now, lets get real!

Ok then, let's!

Firstly, parole is normally only given where an "offender" atones for his crime.

Nope, parole is given regardless of atonement, a criminal usually serves half of their sentence in prison, and the rest on licence. Unless they commit further crime in prison.

However, there are exceptions to this. Occasionally, the Parole Board may consider that there are genuine grounds to believe that a mis-carriage of justice might have occurred. In such circumstances they may grant full Parole.

They might, but as the rapist has had 2 attempts at appeals denied, I heartily doubt this would be the case here.


I have personal experience of this (nothing to do with rape).

I'm sure you do, however, you're criminality isn't what is under discussion,


Yes, OK, so far, three Judges have refused to acknowledge that position or to grant Ched an appeal.

6, he has been denied the right to appeal twice.


In my case there were thirteen Judges who refused to grant an appeal. Yet the Home Secretary eventually reversed the conviction.

What does your criminality have to do with this case?


Although I live in Norwich I do not know Ched Evans and am not a football fan. However, having read all of the news items on this matter it does seem that there is serious doubts here.

Only if you're Ched, his prospective father in law, or incorrigibly stupid.


It appears that the woman did not initially lodge any complaint

And?


(perhaps until persuaded to do so by the Police and/or to protect her "reputation". Did they want to "have a go" at Ched?).

Umm, no, you might want to look at the actual case.....


The only evidence that any sexual encounter took place (the "victim" could recall nothing) was volunteered by Ched Evans himself!?!

And Clayton McDonald.

Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side.

So, you didn't slip out vis the fire escape, your brother and his friend's didn't attempt to film you, and you hadn't asked the person having sex with her if you could 'have a go'?

Both of us being too drunk to remember how this happened. So who took advantage of who? I guess its first come, first served. Or is it always the man who is to blame?

Such a delightful turn of phrase. You should take up writing

I always thought that sex was something that occurred through a natural and amicable chain of events.

It does, but we're talking about rape her, which doesn't.

Sober or otherwise. In my youth, mobile phones did not exist. Had they been available then perhaps I could have got an E Mail or Texted, "permission" to have sex, beforehand.

Or, and I know this is going to seem revolutionary, you could have spoken to the woman first, or not turned your cab around when your pal texted that he'd 'got a bird'.


Is that what we have now arrived at in a "health and safety" sort of way?

Rape is now the jurisdiction of the HSE?

How romantic.

Not sure that rape is romantic, but.....

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Because, they enjoy supporting a rapist.

Finally, if he really was guilty (of what?),

Rape, HTH


why was the other footballer, who also had sex with the girl, found not guilty.

Presumably, because the jury believed that either there was reasonable doubt that he had raped her, or that they believed he could reasonably believe that he had consent.


Should all this really prevent Ched from getting on with his life by continuing in his chosen profession?

Yes.


He's done his time, deservedly or not.

No, he's still serving his time, as you should know, given your own criminality.

As I said "lets get real"

I just did. I doubt you will though.

[YonicSleighdriver]

I heart you, puffins.

[WhatWouldFreddieDo]

Puffins thank you

[grimbletart]

Puffins. Oh dear JrfB - you really should get a grasp of the facts before posting.