Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

[AskBasil]

I thought that in order to get parole, the minimum you had to do was admit that you are actually guilty of the crime for which you've been imprisoned?

But Evans the rapist hasn't admitted that he's a rapist. He keeps saying he's innocent.

So why is he being released?

Is this normal now?

Do all prisoners automatically get early release for good behaviour even if they keep saying they didn't actually do the crime, therefore proving that the one thing that used to be a necessity for early release - remorse - is definitely missing?

[Totallymyownperson]

Hi everyone let everyone know about the go fund me site set up to help the woman in chef Evan case. Go to go fund me website and type in evans

[chunkymum1]

I can see only two possible interpretations of the facts here either:-

1. He had sex with a woman who was too drunk to even remember what was happening but somehow managed to get consent (for the purposes of rape laws) and so did not commit a crime under current laws. He was, however, despite having the money to pay expensive lawyers and the fact that rape allegations are notoriously hard to prove, found guilty by the courts and sent to prison. His family, friends and from what I have heard most of the press 'know' that he is innocent so there has been a terrible miscarriage of justice but now he should be allowed to get on with his life. OR
   

b) At best he did not care whether the woman wanted to have sex, he wanted to so he did it anyway. He served a stupidly short sentence for such a crime. His job means that he is in the public eye and looked up to by other people (particularly boys and young men). Whether he likes it or not this involves more than kicking a ball around- he will be a role model to others and if he is happy to accept the up-side of this (pay from the club, possibly advertising deals etc later etc) then he should accept that he has a social duty to behave as a good role model. Young men and women will now have been sent a clear message that if a woman goes back to a man's hotel room (even if she is clearly too drunk to know what she is doing) then this is effectively consent to have sex. The other message is that rape without violence is not really that bad so you'll only get a short sentence for it then the world will accept you back (and probably feel sorry for you for having made a little mistake).

I haven't read all the case transcripts etc but my money's on 2. This is very depressing.

[SomeDyke]

The retrial of Ched Evans has started at Cardiff Crown Court:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37551789

[QCwheeler]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3581206/Judge-says-four-students-wrongly-accused-raping-woman-college-ball-pursue-221-000-costs-blasts-detective-got-close-didn-t-understand-job.html

[RufusTheReindeer]

[RufusTheReindeer]

Umm errr

[PalmerViolet]

Oh, I deserved to be deleted.

I suggested that the GF might want to vacate whilst fornicating.

And something about prison cells being difficult to share. In a round about way.

[RufusTheReindeer]

I agree lass

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I'm intrigued by what you said Palmer that merited a deletion given that the idiotic and obviously no point other than stirring comment to which I assume you were replying to stands.

[greypubes]

Ched was a disgrace for insisting on his innocence in a very dubious case and should have instead pandered to the ignorant public who stripped him of his career and livelihood for not saying sorry for something he never acknowledged he did.

The appeal judge is a disgrace aswell, I can't believe they have chosen to look at facts and fresh evidence instead of locking him away when the girl said she couldn't remember.

[clam]

Jean Hatchet being the person who began the Ched Evans petitions on Change.org

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Jean Hatchet, sorry Lurcio

[LurcioAgain]

Sorry, being dense here Puffins, but who is JH (other than clearly a decent sort of person, seeing as AP doesn't like her).

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Allison Pearson also accused JH of being a Jihadi who wants to kill everyone who doesn't agree with her, she then blocked her and everyone who agrees that CE is a rapist, but still @s us all into her little rants, she further discusses these things openly with a complete and utter misogynistic douchebag who threatens women.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand the simple facts of the case Jrfb, but I've explained it once, you don't deserve any more of my precious time or effort.

[LurcioAgain]

I read the Allison Pearson article. She clearly has no knowledge of the facts of the case whatsoever (charitable interpretation) or wilfully ignores them because she has some sort of peculiar agenda (deliberate contrarianism earns you a reputation as a journalistic maverick, even if that reputation is earned through throwing women's rights and the concept of consent to the winds).

You turn a taxi round on the basis of your mate's text saying "he's got a bird", obtain a keycard to the room by deception, let yourself in, ask your mate if you can "have a go", offer inconsitent testimony (in one version saying it was your mate who said "yes", in another that the woman said "yes" even though she was clearly drunk and you'd only just met her), you then sneak out down the fire-escape...

Guess what - I think that's rape, the jury thought it was rape, the court of appeal saw no reason to overturn the conviction.

The only people who don't think it's rape are Ched Evans himself and the utter tools who support him (who probably support him precisely because they've done similar things themselves).

And no, I don't want that fucking rapist ever to play professional football again, because I don't want to ever be in the situation of having to explain to my football mad 6 year old what he did to merit me tearing a Match Attax card with his picture into tiny pieces and putting it in the bin.

[YonicSleighdriver]

Please don't do shouty caps.

Citing Allison Pearson "because she's a woman"? So what? Not all women agree with each other, y'know? Would you like me to post an article by a man that disagrees with you and then say "SEE! A MAN JOURNALIST THINKS LIKE ME!"?

No, because it would be idiotic.

[grimbletart]

Puffins. Oh dear JrfB - you really should get a grasp of the facts before posting.

[WhatWouldFreddieDo]

Puffins thank you

[YonicSleighdriver]

I heart you, puffins.

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Oh come now, lets get real!

Ok then, let's!

Firstly, parole is normally only given where an "offender" atones for his crime.

Nope, parole is given regardless of atonement, a criminal usually serves half of their sentence in prison, and the rest on licence. Unless they commit further crime in prison.

However, there are exceptions to this. Occasionally, the Parole Board may consider that there are genuine grounds to believe that a mis-carriage of justice might have occurred. In such circumstances they may grant full Parole.

They might, but as the rapist has had 2 attempts at appeals denied, I heartily doubt this would be the case here.


I have personal experience of this (nothing to do with rape).

I'm sure you do, however, you're criminality isn't what is under discussion,


Yes, OK, so far, three Judges have refused to acknowledge that position or to grant Ched an appeal.

6, he has been denied the right to appeal twice.


In my case there were thirteen Judges who refused to grant an appeal. Yet the Home Secretary eventually reversed the conviction.

What does your criminality have to do with this case?


Although I live in Norwich I do not know Ched Evans and am not a football fan. However, having read all of the news items on this matter it does seem that there is serious doubts here.

Only if you're Ched, his prospective father in law, or incorrigibly stupid.


It appears that the woman did not initially lodge any complaint

And?


(perhaps until persuaded to do so by the Police and/or to protect her "reputation". Did they want to "have a go" at Ched?).

Umm, no, you might want to look at the actual case.....


The only evidence that any sexual encounter took place (the "victim" could recall nothing) was volunteered by Ched Evans himself!?!

And Clayton McDonald.

Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side.

So, you didn't slip out vis the fire escape, your brother and his friend's didn't attempt to film you, and you hadn't asked the person having sex with her if you could 'have a go'?

Both of us being too drunk to remember how this happened. So who took advantage of who? I guess its first come, first served. Or is it always the man who is to blame?

Such a delightful turn of phrase. You should take up writing

I always thought that sex was something that occurred through a natural and amicable chain of events.

It does, but we're talking about rape her, which doesn't.

Sober or otherwise. In my youth, mobile phones did not exist. Had they been available then perhaps I could have got an E Mail or Texted, "permission" to have sex, beforehand.

Or, and I know this is going to seem revolutionary, you could have spoken to the woman first, or not turned your cab around when your pal texted that he'd 'got a bird'.


Is that what we have now arrived at in a "health and safety" sort of way?

Rape is now the jurisdiction of the HSE?

How romantic.

Not sure that rape is romantic, but.....

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Because, they enjoy supporting a rapist.

Finally, if he really was guilty (of what?),

Rape, HTH


why was the other footballer, who also had sex with the girl, found not guilty.

Presumably, because the jury believed that either there was reasonable doubt that he had raped her, or that they believed he could reasonably believe that he had consent.


Should all this really prevent Ched from getting on with his life by continuing in his chosen profession?

Yes.


He's done his time, deservedly or not.

No, he's still serving his time, as you should know, given your own criminality.

As I said "lets get real"

I just did. I doubt you will though.

[Chapsview]

This ain't going to end well for Jrfb is it......

[JeanSeberg]

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Because they're scumbag arsehole rape apologists who think that money can buy you anything you want?

[PetulaGordino]

"Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side"

An unknown female what? Fish, dog, llama, human?