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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#Yesallwomen reaches one million tweets!

255 replies

Scarletohello · 28/05/2014 10:59

This has been started in response to the massacre and anti women manifesto by Elliot Rodgers. Makes for interesting reading...

www.people.com/article/yes-all-women-hashtag-movement-santa-barbara-shooting

OP posts:
22honey · 28/05/2014 20:04

'you assume she meant to put "some" in there,'

No I didnt...oh my god haha!!!

I PERSONALLY think 'some' should have been shoved in there. Your reading comprehension is embarrassing.

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:05

'But it can affect you 22honey, no matter how much positive thinking you do because there is always the undercurrent of violence.'

Well that poster doesnt seem to think it affects her. Is her experience and views not valid?

scallopsrgreat · 28/05/2014 20:05

honey you said: but men as a group are not sexually violent towards women

I disagree. Men as a group are sexually violent towards women as a group in order to oppress them. Something like 98% of sexual violence is perpetuated by men.

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 28/05/2014 20:05

I wasn't rude. You got that wrong too

7Days · 28/05/2014 20:06

simmer down honey love.

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:06

'I frequently see you come on these threads and try to detail them.'

No, you saw me come on the thread and agree with an opposing view to the masses. Thats not 'derailing' anything, its supporting an opposing view. How deranged you cannot see that.

LoveSardines · 28/05/2014 20:06

Why are you "explaining" someone else's posts though? You have no idea what she thinks. And frankly her posts were pretty clear anyway.

I don't understand.

Poster A says oh look at this
Poster B says women are liars with victim mentality and oh yeah fucking feminists
Posters C & D say WTF are you talking about
honey says oh I'm sure what poster B actually meant to say was blah something quite different to what they actually said and I agree with them , although what I am agreeing with is not actually what they said
Everyone = huh?

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:08

'oney you said: but men as a group are not sexually violent towards women'

depends what you mean by 'as a group'- if you mean it as in every man on the planet, then no they are not. Its still a rather dodgy generalization I wouldn't want to get into.

scallopsrgreat · 28/05/2014 20:08

I said it can affect you. I am incredibly glad that Magna's experiences are so positive. I don't see why she needs to dismiss women who don't have such positive experiences, who struggle with self-esteem and confidence as a result and those who have suffered violence at the hands of men. Because that is what she was doing.

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:09

'Why are you "explaining" someone else's posts though? You have no idea what she thinks. '

But the poster who took it that she was calling victims weak, does?

The narcissism and 'im always right' complex is showing itself now.

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:10

'Poster B says women are liars with victim mentality and oh yeah fucking feminists'

hahaha no one has said women are liars!

Some posters on this FWR board have a massive victim mentality mindset. That is NOT saying 'women are liars'.

Stop lying yourself.

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 28/05/2014 20:11

Just had a look through Honeys posting history. WHen she isn't berating women for not feeling comfortable with having male HCPs... she is advising women to not seek help for depression so they don't get their children taken away.

I'm not sure if she is for real or not, but she sure as hell shouldn't be listened to.

7Days · 28/05/2014 20:11

Lol at the irony Honey.

JanineStHubbins · 28/05/2014 20:12

The narcissism and the I'm always right complex is showing itself now

Ha ha!! Pot, kettle?

Likening Mumsnet posters to 'pigs in mud' - charming.

LoveSardines · 28/05/2014 20:12

So you agree with the poster who said that:

  • People posting their experiences on the hashtag are "jumping on the bandwagon"
  • She guarantees that they have not experienced the things they are posting ie they are lying
  • That if women everywhere "truly believe (they) are equal to men then it (violence etc) can't affect (them)
  • That only (women's) inferiority complex gives men power over (them)

and a whole bunch of other stuff.

People quite naturally said well that's a lot of old shit.

You choose to defend these posts, and they are not even yours.

Why?

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:13

'I said it can affect you. I am incredibly glad that Magna's experiences are so positive. I don't see why she needs to dismiss women who don't have such positive experiences, who struggle with self-esteem and confidence as a result and those who have suffered violence at the hands of men. Because that is what she was doing.'

It sounds like she merely presumed most posters on here had the same experiences as her, ie never suffered from misogyny.

Also different people see different things as misogynistic or not. For example many women wouldn't see whistling from men in the street as misogynistic, others would. Its likely she has experience misogyny but just didn't see it as such, maybe she only sees rape and physical violence as 'misogyny'.

7Days · 28/05/2014 20:13

certainly not. In fact, as far as I have seen she is only a feminist on non-feminist threads, combining it with a little light racism and a touch of wc chippiness.

She's 22 yanno, too Sad

BriarRainbowshimmer · 28/05/2014 20:14

No this isn't the first thread 22honey has tried to derail. I suggest ignoring.

22honey · 28/05/2014 20:14

'Ha ha!! Pot, kettle?

Likening Mumsnet posters to 'pigs in mud' - charming'

I've never stated I'm always right though, I merely post my opinion. I am not the one constantly trying to shut up other posters because I believe them to be wrong.

Many posters do come across like pigs in mud whilst basking in their victim status as a woman.

scallopsrgreat · 28/05/2014 20:14

There is certainly some narcissism going on here. You are right there, honey.

Scarletohello · 28/05/2014 20:15

Personally I cba to engage with honey. It gets nowhere. You guys try if you want to. I didn't post that link earlier to end up arguing with someone like that who doesn't have a clue what she's talking about. I'm all for reasoned debate but...

Don't feed the troll!

OP posts:
22honey · 28/05/2014 20:15

Reallyfedup you know someone is desperate and utterly pathetic when they start raiding a posters old posts to try and find a stick to beat them with.

Grow up and accept not everyone holds the same opinions as you.

LoveSardines · 28/05/2014 20:16

honey that poster said that women are liars. That is what she said.

So not sure why you go "ha" like you have won a point. Is this how you see this? Winning and losing points? Most of us don't post in that way on here which is why the conversations may be a little difficult.

Someone said some really offensive stupid stuff and you are defending them. Why? I don't understand. You don't seem to actually agree with what she said, given that you are changing her words in order to agree with her.

7Days · 28/05/2014 20:16

there are some eejits about.

A lot seem to be drawn to Feminist spaces in the wake of those awful shootings. It's like, an open and shut case of the mos despicable misogyny brings them out to DENY DENY DERAIL. It is interesting

JanineStHubbins · 28/05/2014 20:16

I don't think posters have to 'raid' your old posts, 22honey Your posting style is memorably aggressive and solipsistic.