#Yesallwomen reaches one million tweets!

[Scarletohello]

This has been started in response to the massacre and anti women manifesto by Elliot Rodgers. Makes for interesting reading...

www.people.com/article/yes-all-women-hashtag-movement-santa-barbara-shooting

Excellent advice scarlet and briar

'WHen she isn't berating women for not feeling comfortable with having male HCPs... she is advising women to not seek help for depression so they don't get their children taken away. '

Actually I specifically remember having 2 opposing views on 2 different threads regarding depression and children being taken away. It depends on the circumstances of the person. Infact many people have stated themselves they regret getting help for depression whilst pregnant etc. Have you had depression yourself?

No one was being 'berated' for not feeling comfortable with male HCPs, but really, it doesnt matter because its irrelevant to this thread what my views are on other issues.

It really is scraping the bottom of the barrel bringing old posts up to try and character assassinate. I consider it bullying, tbh. Nasty, nasty woman.

' Your posting style is memorably aggressive and solipsistic'

Thanks.

Doubt she's had depression, as I expect she's middle class and so therefore immune.

Imagine the poor victims of the shootings. If only someone had told them, male and female alike, they could have saved themselves from being victims (that word again) by simply refusing to believe

this is basic Disney philosophy, people

Well technically, those on a low income are more likely to suffer from it but lets not go there, eh?

Oh I know what would be fun!

Let's all write our backgrounds and salaries and whether we have had MHPs and / or experienced sexual violence, and then Honey can judge whether we are allowed to have an opinion or not!!!!

Sounds like great larks to me

But does it do anyone any favours having a victim mentality mindset before they've even become a victim?

I mean as if people should just be on their guard all the time incase they become a victim of misogyny?

'So not sure why you go "ha" like you have won a point. '

No, I said ha because it was hilarious the nonsense that was being spouted.

'ertainly not. In fact, as far as I have seen she is only a feminist on non-feminist threads, combining it with a little light racism and a touch of wc chippiness.

She's 22 yanno, too'

Racism? To who? Will you be using my views on sexist, patriarchal south asian culture (there probably is something on another thread about the misogynistic culture, I remember a debate about it at one point) as this stick to beat me with or will you be using the fact I stated white middle and upper class women are put on a pedestal in our society?

Go on, who am I racist against?

What is hilarious about a poster saying that women are liars.

I don't think I cba either.

Honey why don't you and your mate upthread start a website or something to tell women, girls and indeed foetuses all over the world how a bit of a positive attitude will prevent them from being victimised because of their sex.

I'm sure it will be a successful endeavour.

'What is hilarious about a poster saying that women are liars.'

It was hilarious because it appeared to be aimed at me, that I had said women were liars and I didn't. Infact neither did the other poster as far as I can remember. The hideous putting of words in mouths of posters you dont agree with is whats hilarious.

It wasn't aimed at you. Not everything is. Sorry.

Anyway, back to the thread....

I think the #YesAllWomen hashtag has been amazing - extraordinary to read so many women's experiences

Social media has been great at giving women a collective voice

'women, girls and indeed foetuses all over the world how a bit of a positive attitude will prevent them from being victimised because of their sex.'

No one said that. I still believe she was referring to women who, like her, hadn't ever suffered from misogyny.

I certainly have not said such a thing. A positive attitude helps you not feel like a victim yes, and I find that that helps me as a victim.

Being in 'the victim box' when you are one is detrimental to healing. I have found this out on my own personal journey after years and it applies to me only by the way so please don't berate it.

honey, where does your assumption that posters here are white and middle class? Is it because they write well? Because I can't see on what else you would base your judgement. That's pretty damning of non-white, non-mc people, isn't it?

I agree Hermione it was good to see Twitter being used to promote that collective voice and experience when it so often gets used as a stick to beat women who speak out with.

I'm still not convinced by Twitter tbh, and I wonder how many of those tweets were people using the hashtag to post misogyny. But it's still nice to see that many women feel empowered by something

'here does your assumption that posters here are white and middle class? '

I havnt stated any poster on this thread is either white or middle class.

I've never mentioned anyone's writing either so don't start trying to infer I am now a racist because 'I believe middle class white people write well and non white working class people don't'. I see right through sneaky little posters like that.

You are the one who actually proposed such a thing, so clearly its you who thinks middle class people write better.

Agreed CaptChaos

One million tweets means people are taking notice. Of course, some people won't like that. You can see a bit of a backlash developing.

RFFU there were a surprising few people when I was following it doing the usual #yesallwomen are ...insert misogynistic twattery here... and if they were, a fair few of them were being called out on it. There was also a #yesallwhitewomen hashtag which has some interesting thoughts on intersectionality.

honey I am afraid that suggesting women need a "positive mental attitude" when many of us are worried about FGM, "honour" killings and female foeticide is going to raise a sad smile. (But I would truly like to see how you are going to "deal with" the problems of religion BEFORE you tackle misogyny )

7Days there will always be a backlash, sadly. Whether it's from men who don't like their misogyny spoken or from women who like the status quo or even from "feminists" who just don't like other feminists. At least the women's voices got in there, we claimed some space!

I suppose it's because it's so blatant, so difficult to hide? Not that there aren't a shower of eejits twisting themselves up in knots trying to deny and derail. But normal people can see that when a guy tells the world he hates women and is going to kill people to prove it, and then does just that - well, it's hard not to draw the obvious conclusion, isn't it?

My personal view is that any woman who says she hadn't experienced the effects of misogyny is poorly-read, hopelessly naive or culturally brainwashed.

I think it's good to challenge religious and cultural practices that have been around for centuries, because they can and do change, and often remarkably swiftly in relative terms.

So, here you go. I'm a white, middle-class woman from a western background. I make twice what my husband earns and, and we split housework and childcare 50/50. I come from a line of strong women.

Have I tripped through life without feeling the impact of institutional sexism? Have I fuck. I have experienced discrimination. I have experienced pay inequality and a culture that rewards men and denigrates women for the same behaviour in the workplace. I have experienced sexual violence, I have both fought back and not fought back. I have experienced many things, and seen other women experience many things, that would not have happened to a man.!

And at least I'm aware enough to recognise that if it's affected me, with my many privileges, there are a huge number of women less lucky whose lives are blighted by an unequal culture.

I don't have a 'victim complex', but I recognise that society structurally victimises women, which is good because if you're aware of it, you can fight it.

And I think #yesallwomen, particularly as a counterpoint to the #notallmen rubbish, is brilliant at raising understanding and awareness of the many guises sexism can take.