#Yesallwomen reaches one million tweets!

[Scarletohello]

This has been started in response to the massacre and anti women manifesto by Elliot Rodgers. Makes for interesting reading...

www.people.com/article/yes-all-women-hashtag-movement-santa-barbara-shooting

I have male friends who havnt had sex for years and despite saying they'd like it, it would be nice if it happened they don't have any 'entitlement' to it whatsoever.

Honey, I defy you to find anything I have said which would suggest I am a man-hater. (Some of my best friends are men .) But there are many things you have said which suggest you are a woman-hater.

Honey. Everyone else got it, you are not stupid, so please don't expect anyone to believe you didn't get that too. You know that isn't true.

I refuse to engage with someone who seems to have a singular agenda, to whit, slagging the posters in FWR off. If you don't like posting here, might I suggest you stick to whichever baby club you're part of? It is impossible to debate things with a person who, despite their obvious intelligence, resorts to insults and abuse whenever they think they are losing the momentum.

I am not for one second telling you what to do, but you will find fewer and fewer people willing to be told what to think and do by someone who is incapable of carrying an argument in a bucket. You think differently from all of us, despite our differing views, despite our differing paths and experiences, to you, we're all a homogeneous mass of stupid, hysterical (context 1 or 2), irrational man haters. This really isn't the case, but you have made your mind up.

downamongtherednecks arf!

Anyway, after that excitement, back to the #yesallwomen hashtag???

It's still going on, still new tweets. It might not save the world, but it might be the small rock which starts the avalanche!

scallops is right, there isn't much point in continuing this.

'No what I'm saying is we hate misogynists. There you go again. Doing 2 + 2 and getting 55.'

Why put it in reply to a post about 'man haters' then?

'And now I'm disengaging because your arguments are ridiculous, honey.'

Ha! Arguments about what? I merely post my opinion, I'm not arguing about anything. Why do posters on here seem to hate my views so much?

All I do is refrain from slating and generalizing men constantly.

Misogyny is a huge problem and the #YesAllWomen hashtag shows how insidious it is. How we all change and adapt our behaviour because of it. To be told that it isn't a problem or that because not all men are like this we shouldn't discuss it is ridiculous.

Should we not talk about cancer because not all people get cancer?

Misogyny and male entitlement are a huge problem in our society. Let's talk about it.

So we can't discuss cancer in case I am generalising all the well behaved cells in the body?

Every one here knows it's not all men. I have a lovely Dh and a great dad. My friends are male. But that doesn't solve the problem.

'I refuse to engage with someone who seems to have a singular agenda'

I don't have an agenda, I just find the sweeping generalizations of practically everything on this forum (there are even massive sweeping generalizations about those in prostitution when the truth is a lot more of a grey area) very tiring and incorrect and therefore I state so. Its not an agenda at all, its that I don't agree with a lot of the posts on here. It is a discussion forum, to discuss feminist issues. This is why it is beyond me what you actually think it is I am doing wrong other than disagreeing with the majority.

'resorts to insults and abuse '

You must be taking the piss now. I havnt insulted or abused anyone.

'You think differently from all of us, despite our differing views, despite our differing paths and experiences, to you, we're all a homogeneous mass of stupid, hysterical (context 1 or 2), irrational man haters.'

I would consider a lot of the opinions of here to come from man haters yes, I would also consider many of them hysterical. Why do you have a problem with the fact this is how I feel?

It seems to be perfectly ok for posters on here to be rude, belittling, get personal about my life and basically sink to any depths possible just to prove how wrong I am. Why, despite all our different experiences, must you be right and I be wrong? Do you not see how blindingly superior and narcissistic that comes across?

You are right, I need to get out of here. Its like stepping into some shrieking parallel universe being surrounded by people who hold the kind of views you lot do. Depressing and makes you feel like you should adapt the role of helpless victim just because you are a woman. A mindset I definately do not want to subscribe to.

lumpy you reminded me of what Susan Sontag said about how we need to unwrap the metaphors surrounding illness, because the metaphors silence and shame victims (of disease). Applies equally, as you say, to how we adapt and change our behaviour because of misogyny.

captchaos I only know one friend who posted a #yesallwomen today, she is quite openly feministy. The first one from someone I know in rl. Was nice to see and all quite upsetting as well. Hers was about verbal abuse form a man stranger about her outfit.

'Honey, I defy you to find anything I have said which would suggest I am a man-hater. (Some of my best friends are men wink.) But there are many things you have said which suggest you are a woman-hater.'

I never specifically said you, did I? You seem to be one of the less radicalised, man hating posters.

Hilarious, I'm a woman hater because I don't like constantly generalizing all men? I am a fucking woman myself, I suppose I hate myself now?

I think what you mean is I come across like someone who hates middle class people. They are the only group I have said anything negative whatsoever about. That isn't 'women'.

Do you consider 'women' to mean 'white middle class uk feminists'?

Get a fucking grip for god's sake.

lumpy of course it's not each and every single man, but that shouldn't stop us being able to discuss men as a class. To suggest that men are a single entity would be ridiculous, but to discuss 'men as a class' is still useful.

The problem with memes is that I will actually think of them in RL situations and not be able to actually whip out a poster of a shark jumping out of the water to say "not all men". :(

RRFU I wonder if the #yesallwomen one is being used as an international version of #everydaysexism to a point?

in response to Magna, I thought this tweet was spot on...

If you read #YesAllWomen and think "not me" instead of "what can I do to change things?", you are precisely the problem.

'but to discuss 'men as a class' is still useful.'

Anything from 1.7% to 10% of men are gay. Do they also feel entitled to women's bodies?

Is it ok and useful to discuss women as a class?

Would you not think it is a sweeping rather sexist generalization if someone said 'women want well off, powerful men', 'women get emotional around the time of their menstrual cycle' 'women want to get married and have children'?

Would it be ok if someone shoves in 'but we are talking about women as a class here?'

No doubt posters would be shouting about making offensive, sexist, damaging sweeping generalizations about women, but as we are discussing them 'as a class' I suppose its ok to state they want to get married and have children or they get emotional at the time of their period?

I like that one Stack

Maybe, although I think #everydaysexsi has gone a bit international as well? One of the great things about twitter. It's like #notbuyingit started out as a superbowl # (I think) but have seen it on UK feminist sites as well. I'm actually a big fan of that one because unfortunately I belive real change only ever happens when someone gets a hit in the wallet

RFFU you may be right. It seems to be working for cruelty free awareness, so hopefully will translate well!

There is a huge problem with the way society is structured and it isn't making anyone happy. Not our sons and certainly not our daughters.

It doesn't matter how carefully you bring your kids up either as the message about what society really thinks of women are all around us.

I think what is so positive about #YesAllWomen is it is actually being talked about. More importantly some people are actually listening.

I read a lovely tweet from a guy who said he started reading #YesAllWomen because he has 2 daughters, after half an hour he said he continued reading because he has 2 sons.

Not all men are misogynists but all men are subconsciously conditioned to think females are inferior.

I guess we just have to keep telling them we're not.

Sorry for rambling but it just makes me so cross sometimes.

RFFU Tru dat (trying to hide my middle classness(?) in case it invalidates my support of your point)

'I think every single woman is treated inferior. Not even as a class. Individuals.

If you took (for example) a white middle class 35 year old woman and compared her to a white middle class 35 year old male, she'd had been treated as though she were less that man.

A black 27 year old woman from a working class back ground, against a 27 year old black male of similar back grounds. She will be the one of the two who is inferior.'

Its funny how you recognise the impact of class and race when it suits you, but when it doesnt you want to blame everything solely on misogyny.

But yes, you are admitting that a middle class white 35 year old woman is NOT seen as inferior compared to a black, 27 year old Black man?

Glad we can agree. Many women, particularly those who are better off, are seen as superior to many men. Therefore your argument all women are seen as inferior (to all men, supposedly?) is a joke.

Again, hilarious how you love to ignore class and poverty issues when it suits you but then shoehorn them in when it suits you.

working class, 27 year old Black man*

another 22honey fight club. I hope you get bored soon cos I sure as fuck am bored of you shitting all over good threads.