The Feminist Pub (continued).

[UptoapointLordCopper]

Been busy. Came back today to have a look but the Pub thread was full! Shall we continue here?

Third episode of Borgen on tonight.

YY SinisterSal. Feminism require of men exactly what they're not trained to have: Empathy for women, ability to put themselves in our shoes.

mildred We have Let's Talk: About Girls, Boys, Babies, Bodies, Families & Friends by Harris and Emberley. I like it because it talks more about what people have in common rather than how boys and girls are different. And it also talks about different types of families. It's a nice book. My DC (8&6 at the time) read them cover to cover and said "Hmm. Interesting. Thank you very much." in a very nonchalant way so I assume they were not traumatised too much by it.

thanks lordcopper, looks like a great book

Sal, there's something in what you say. But I think those men picturing having sex for money as vaguely fun probably aren't picturing sex with another man, or with a woman twice their weight or twice their age or whatever characteristic it would take for them to be totally turned off by the other person, but still have to do it if they wanted to but food or pay rent.

Ignoring all discussion today I am afraid. Just popped in to say happy new year and raise a lemonade before bump and I head to bed.

Happy New Year to you all

Did you see the Blog of the Day?
I'll have to reread it when I am more... clear-minded

Cheers!

Yeah happy new year everyone! You all rock.

When, I think you might be right about the users, I was thinking more about those making debating style arguments...

Ooh, two minutes to go! Happy New Year!

Happy new year!

Is LRD about? Have just caught up on some absolutely storming blog posts of hers. Thank you! great stuff

Happy new year, everybody

I may have to fire my sons - lazy arsed sods .
That is all x.

Aw, thanks youre! That's very kind of you.

I am about ... my head is slightly spinning because I've suddenly got rather more work to do than I was quite expecting, so I'd gone a bit quiet. Also having a bit of a worry about my brother - he's an absolute darling (mostly! ) and it just seems that decent men get absolutely shat on by the patriarchy at times. I know it's a 'what about the menz' thing but it does depress me that there's such a reward for being an arsehole, if you're a bloke.

How old are your sons, pacific, I forget? Old enough to know better?

Is it time for feminist New Year's Resolutions?

Sorry to hear about your bro, LRD.

Do you have any feminist NYRs? I have made a few that are not explicitly femnist, unless you count the vaguely formulated intention to "talk more about feminist things" with the dds.

Pacific - don't fire them! Give them overtime!

Happy New Year everyone! Hope you all enjoyed Christmas and didn't find yourself at the sharp end of male privilege too often.

I have a new niece. Her mothers have nominated me to instruct her in the ways of feminism

Hope your brother's OK, LRD.

Thank you.

I'm thinking about the resolutions ... I feel as if I've been getting a bit laid back, so I need to kick myself back into it. Something I must do is stop doing that female 'oh, I'm so sorry, but ...', 'oh, I'm sure this is nothing, but I think ...' thing. It's making me cross with myself! And I don't do it much on MN but I do in RL.

Oh, new niece, how exciting! Congratulations, that must be lovely.

Oh, lovely, newborn niece - congratulations, LRD .
I hope she grows up in a less misogynistic world

I like the idea of giving DSs1 to 4 'overtime' - unpaid, of course
They are between almost-11 and almost-4 and I swear they have been barely off their backsides since school finished before Christmas. To get them out of the house requires crowbars and threats . Ah well. They have new toys, I suppose.
Bring on school starting again...

No real new year's resolutions here really - NOT because I am oh so perfect, but before I don't really get the fuss about any new year starting: it's just a date IMO. I have been meaning to run the local city 10k for the last 3 years, so that could be a goal.... but may make my pelvic floor fall out ; I dunno.
I'd love to be more strident, but often cba, so that's not v good either, is it. Must woman up a bit, I suppose.

There've been some awfully sad threads on here over the holidays, involving DV and abuse . Counting my blessing even (including lazy-aresed boys).

Congratulations on the new niece mooncup I love babies. I am very jealous of anyone who gets new baby snuggles.

I don't really have any feminist new year's resolutions. I have a couple but they are to do with work or getting fitter rather than anything feministy

Happy New Year everyone . My new year's resolution is to be obsessive about my pelvic floor exercises. Does that count as feminist?

Congratulations on the new niece Mooncup and hope your brother is ok LRD.

Great news, Mooncup.

Pacific, I think that you can get some kind of internal support thing if you are worried about your pelvic floor.

I am finding MN so depressing at the moment. Women arguing it is fine to have sex with your partner in a long term relationship if you don't really want to, and see it as a chore. On a thread full of posters saying that most people these days are fine with lesbians and then several women say they are only attracted to women but in relationships with men and that is fine.
I think I need to be around some feminists!

Congratulations on the new niece, mooncup! and all power to you in your role as "feminist godmother"

feel your pain, Grennie

Just read this:

""Elements of feminism have been taken into account, and have been absolutely incorporated into political and institutional life. Drawing on a vocabulary that includes words like 'empowerment' and 'choice', these elements are then converted into a much more individualistic discourse, and they are deployed in this' new guise, particularly in media and popular culture, but also by agencies of the state, as a kind of substitute for feminism. These new and seemingly 'modern' ideas about women and especially young women are then disseminated more aggressively, so as to ensure that a new women's movement will not re-emerge. 'Feminism', is instrumentalised, it is brought forward and claimed by Western governments, as a signal to the rest of the world that this is a key part of what freedom now means. Freedom is revitalised and brought upto-date with this faux-feminism. The boundaries between the West and the rest can, as a result, be more specifically coded in terms of gender, and the granting of sexual freedoms." - Angela McRobbie, The Aftermath of Feminism, 2009"

Yeah, I'm a bit fed up with it - not just MN, but in general.

I feel as if I'm constantly say 'yes, but the fact you can tell me of one anecdotal counter-example doesn't disprove [feminist tenet]'.

That said I got into twitter a bit ago and I am find that quite nice for feministy stuff, which I wasn't expecting.