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Mother-of-two jailed for making TWO false rape claims

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Zaraa · 14/08/2012 20:15

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188112/Mother-jailed-making-TWO-false-rape-claims-men-dating-didnt-liaison.html

"Emma Saxon, 23, claimed she had been raped in a supermarket car park
Her alleged attacker was arrested and subjected to medical examination
Police spent 90 hours investigating before concluding it was a hoax"

She was given 8 months (although she could be out in far less than this). What do you think? Should she have been given more prison time or should be have been given something other than prison?

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 20:51

This is awful, and I feel for the person she accused.

It is so very rare that rape claims are made falsely, it can't have been easy for him

I think the sentence might be because of her circumstances, which were also reported in that article:

'Rebecca Stevens, for Saxon, said she lived in supported council rented accommodation and had suffered with learning difficulties. 'The offence was unsophisticated and it was obvious to the police from the outset that there were suspicions about the allegation,' she said.
She was a 'vulnerable young woman' in the company of 'less desirable' people who bullied her into making the allegation and it was not her who initially reported the complaint.'

I am angry that the people who bullied her, and the person who initially reported the complaint, don't seem to have shared her punishment.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 21:01

She falsely accused not one but two men on two seperate occasions. Why wan't she sent to prison after the first? Will there be a third accusation by her when she is released?

But what if she really is raped how will we know whether she is being truthful or not?

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 21:03

First question - I don't know, do you? But I think pobably her mental capacity could have to do with it. Second - I don't see why, do you? Third - that's a pretty unpleasant speculation. We'll know if she's being truthful the same way people usually know, I imagine.

I see where you are coming from, but false rape accusations are extremely rare, and this article says that it was fairly clear from the outset the accusation was false. It wasn't some cunning cover-up operation.

It's shit, and horrible, and why it has to be more than that, I do not know.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 21:05

It couldn't have been that clear if police wasted 90 hours of their time investigating it.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 21:08

Why? Confused

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 21:28

the only case i know of a false rape claim envolved a girl who was scisophrenic, twice actually. the second time accusing her brother-in law, her sister wont talk to her now. it is true that false rapes claims are very rare and over-reported when they do happen.
problem is on these boards women will never be accused of rape, so that isnt their battle/problem allthough they seem to think most men think rape is no big deal, actually most men consider it a hinious crime and to be accused of it even if later prooved innocent would ruin your life.
no one will ever ask you to babysit again put it that way.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 21:31

It's nothing to do with being 'on these boards', meow, it's to do with the state of UK law.

I don't believe any women imagine most men think rape is no big deal. That's a pretty horrible thing to claim.

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 21:34

the myths the jokes , the apologists ?
i get the impression men dont take it seriously attall

LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 21:36

I don't understand that post.

If you mean, men don't take rape seriously, that's not true. Decent men take rape very seriously. Rapists do not, because it suits their interests to spread rape myths.

kilmuir · 14/08/2012 21:37

best place for her

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 21:40

i'm sorry i'm not making myself clear again, there was a certain amount of sarcasm in my last post.
i'm very glad you think most decent men take rape seriously, but the overall impression i get from these boards is that most men dont.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 14/08/2012 21:42

I don't get that impression at all, and I don't think it's funny to be sarcastic about rape.

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 21:43

actually if this rape accuser is mentaly challenged i dont think prison is the best place for her, even if it's terrible for the accusees, justice isnt about revenge, and she probobly need help not punishment.

2beornot · 14/08/2012 21:43

Why is the fact that she's a mother (of two no less) important? She's done a horrible things and our justice system had punished her. I don't know enough to comment whether it was the most appropriate punishment or not.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 22:20

If a man raped a woman I doubt the courts would give him any leniency if he claimed he was mentally challenged in his defence.

And should women who have children be immune from the law just because they have children? Should the law not apply to mothers? Should children be a free pass to let women do horrible things and get away with it?

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HoopDePoop · 14/08/2012 22:23

Zaraa your last paragraph is totally Confused - she is being punished, non? And I don't think anyone said anything aboutthe fact she's a mother?

And why are you asking so many questions? Grin

DuelingFanjo · 14/08/2012 22:24

any false accusation is terrible, just so glad it so very rarely happens. Many rapists get short jail terms. The law is an ass.

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 22:27

the fact is, when you inprison a mother of small children, you are punishing the innocent children.

i honestly dont know if this should or shouldnt be taken into account when passing judgement, but it isnt like the kids have any say in it.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 22:29

Maybe she should have thought of her children before she committed a crime.

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DuelingFanjo · 14/08/2012 22:31

maybe.
she didn't though.
She got 8 months, what did you want her to get op?

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 22:31

I agree the law is an ass. Men who are falsely accused of rape are publicly named and shamed before the case even goes to court- they have no right to anonymity. Before they can even say a word in their defence in court their reputation will be destroyed.

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Zaraa · 14/08/2012 22:32

She got 8 months, what did you want her to get op?

The same sentence the men would have got if they were sentenced. Which I'm sure would be far more than 8 months. 8 years probably.

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DuelingFanjo · 14/08/2012 22:33

I know, and rapists get really short prison terms. Fucked up eh? what do you think you can do about it?

DuelingFanjo · 14/08/2012 22:34

"The same sentence the men would have got if they were sentenced"

you mean men who cry rape or men who rape?

peoplesrepublicofmeow · 14/08/2012 22:37

do rapists get short prison terms ?
serious question! i mean i wouldnt class it as serious as murder, but after murder that the next most serious crime

but yeah i suppose bank robbers go down for longer than murderers

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