Mother-of-two jailed for making TWO false rape claims

[Zaraa]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188112/Mother-jailed-making-TWO-false-rape-claims-men-dating-didnt-liaison.html

"Emma Saxon, 23, claimed she had been raped in a supermarket car park
Her alleged attacker was arrested and subjected to medical examination
Police spent 90 hours investigating before concluding it was a hoax"

She was given 8 months (although she could be out in far less than this). What do you think? Should she have been given more prison time or should be have been given something other than prison?

Eldritch, I would like to see across the board. However its not always possible. It would have been impossible for Tia shadows step-grandfather to not be identified, for example.
But we are discussing Rape. The issue is the attitude is often 'they got away with' not that they are innocent. The stigma attached to sex crimes, imo, is very difficult to deal with. So many people think 'no smoke without fire'.

Mildewmayhew, if you haven't then good for you.

I However have.

Attempted murder, murder and suicide leading from false rape and child molestation accusations.

The accusation of rape can not simply be undone.

justme, obviously attempted murder and murder are crimes, and suicide is a tragedy. But they are not inevitable consequences of false accusations of rape. Many (probably most) of the same people who would say rape is an awful thing, would also say that treating people who've been cleared of charges as if they were guilty is also a terrible thing.

What you're describing isn't evidence that false accusations are as damaging as rape (and is rape also, of course, sometimes the excuse given when women are murdered for 'honour' or when women commit suicide). It's evidence that other bad things happen in the world.

well the two things are totaly different apart from the feelings of shame both victimes would have.
the falsely accused victim wouldnt feel post-trumatic stress, or have issues trusting people
the rape victim wouldnt have her reputation destroyed, and everyone in her circle doubting her thinking '" no smoke without fire"

roundly though, i think being falsely accused if worse that being rapped. but it's precisely because it's such a terrible crime that makes the idea of being falsly accused so scary.

there is an air of solipsism about this thread, i cannot be raped ( actually i can) in the conventional sense so i focus what what can happen , false rape accusation.
women cannot be accused of rape, ( in england, legaly, it requires a penis i belive) but they can be raped, so naturaly they focus on that.

Ok, meow. Would you rather be raped or face a false accusation of rape?

sorry i meant to say i think being raped is worse than being falsely accused. christ!

'the rape victim wouldnt have her reputation destroyed, and everyone in her circle doubting her thinking '" no smoke without fire" '

That's not true. Rape victims often have an awful time being disbelieved and people thinking badly of them.

These comments that false accusations - though I agree they are horrible - are worse than rape are really disgusting and offensive.

noooooo

X-posted meow, thanks for clarifying.

"The crime is the false allegation itself - mayorquimby might be able to comments on sentencing guidelines for that crime. "

I wouldn't have nearly enough experience to comment in any professional capacity.
In providing my purely personal opinion it would appear to be in line with anecdotal evidence of sentencing for crimes of this nature. I'm Ireland recently a man was jailed for 6 months for the false accusation of sexual assault against Louis Walsh , I believe that was a 1st offence.

As far as the comparison between being raped and being falsely accused, with a gun to my head I know which I'd choose every time. They're not even close IMO, and that's not to belittle false accusations as the people who do that are scum but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as horrific as being raped.

no really that was the typo mistake of the year , i'd deslecsic ( you might have noticed)

i take your point actually LRD people will have opinions about rape victimes, here in the west but especialy in the 3rd world

I don't believe women focus on rape, instead of false accusations, purely because we can be raped. Men can also be raped, of course - male rape happens and denying it does is perpetuating another rape myth.

Women, and most men, focus on rape rather than false accusations because rape is much, much commoner than false accusations.

Thanks, mayor.

Hello everyone

This seems like a good time to link to our We Believe You on rape myths, with particular emphasis on Number 5:

MYTH: Women often lie about rape, and police officers and jurors should bear this in mind
REALITY: There is no research evidence that false allegations are more common than for many other crimes.
Home Office research indicates that between 3-8% of initial allegations are false, but that the lower figure is likely to be most accurate.
Far from being widespread, malicious accusations are rare. A much greater problem in the criminal justice system is the under-reporting of rape - the government estimates that 89% of rapes are never reported to the police at all.
In addition, only 5.3% of rapes reported to the police end in a conviction for rape - the lowest rate of any country in Europe, except for Ireland.

That isn't true.

How can rape victims get 'plenty of sympathy' and 'often get thousands in compensation (even when the accused isn't found guilty)'?

Please provide evidence for this absurd claim.

The majority of rapes, we're told, get reported, and of those that do, many do not get as far as trial.

Your comments are clearly deliberately offensive to rape victims. Please read MNHQ's links to rape myths and educate yourself.

I think the very premise of this thread is disablist and discriminatory.

Someone with a reduced cognitive capacity should not be be getting dragged through court and thrown in jail. What she needs is care and support not demonising.

Zaraa you are wrong. Rape victims do not get plenty of sympathy.
They are told over and over that they are in some way at fault for what happened to them. By the police, by the courts, by society. If they are even believed at all that is.
A lot of men leave their partners after they are raped. They don't like the idea that another man had touched them. Deep depression from being attacked means a lot more relationships break down.
Fear of being attacked again because your attacker is almost never convicted.
Rape can mean unwanted pregnancy, abortion, STIs.
Depression, anxiety, not being able to trust people or have a relationship, not being able to work. Never being able to enjoy your sexuality again.
If you would rather that then you do not understand the gravity of rape.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/david-goodwillies-alleged-rape-victim-1166803

Here's a recent UK story. A woman accused a footballer of rape. The footballer was found not guilty in court. Yet the women is still given £11,000 in compensation.

man admits being a rapist, but flees justice and goes on to win a lifetime achievement award and be feted by his peers (roman polanski)

or

man is convicted of rape, serves a very brief sentence, continues to star in hit films, and is currently invited to speak in other countries about, i dunno, beating up women i guess, he certainly has form (mike tyson)

i kind of don't think you are being serious, zaara - but your kind of fun is really quite inhumane and totally unwarranted. not to mention triggerring. and kind of shitty.

Zaraa, it would be insane to lie in order to get money because MEN ALMOST NEVER GET CONVICTED. Your just making shit up.

What she needs is care and support not demonising.

Lying is not the same as committing a violent crime.

Couple of quotes from previous threads. She isn't lying about stealing the last cookie from the biscuit tin. Her lies have wasted 90 hours of police time and caused two innocent men to be named and shamed and accused of one of the worst crimes anyone can commit.

I'm not making anything up, I provided a source for my story.

I have to be absolutely honest and say that the OP's determination to make a cause celebre out of this shows nothing so much as her urgent need to get a life. An individual who lacks capacity behaving in this way does not indicate some malign force waiting to swallow up a load of hapless innocent men. it indicates an unfortunate person in need of help, for her own sake and that of others. get a grip.