Mother-of-two jailed for making TWO false rape claims

[Zaraa]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188112/Mother-jailed-making-TWO-false-rape-claims-men-dating-didnt-liaison.html

"Emma Saxon, 23, claimed she had been raped in a supermarket car park
Her alleged attacker was arrested and subjected to medical examination
Police spent 90 hours investigating before concluding it was a hoax"

She was given 8 months (although she could be out in far less than this). What do you think? Should she have been given more prison time or should be have been given something other than prison?

The average sentence for rape is now more than eight years ? longer than the average prison term for manslaughter, according to Ministry of Justice figures

After seeing the devastation caused by a false rape claim (my bil was accused by someone who was annoyed that another family member had failed her in a school exam yrs earlier) I think a jail term is exactly what this person needs. If she had really severe mental problems she could be sent to a secure mental health unit but either way for the safety of the good men in this country she needs to be rehabilitated and punished.

She did something wrong but 8 months is incredibly harsh. And it doesn't sound like it would help her understand what was wrong about it.

I can't believe anyone would expect her to get the same sentence as someone who had actually committed a violent crime. That's not fair at all.

And how many men cry rape exactly? If a man reported he had been raped I doubt he would be taken seriously anyway.

and rapists get really short prison terms.

Do they? Let's do a quick search on Google news for rape related crimes. These are all recent news articles.

www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_21304142/richmond-man-sentenced-21-years-prison-raping-disabled

21 years in prison.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/British-man-clicks-himself-raping-minor-jailed/articleshow/15486034.cms

9 years in prison.

www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20120809/NEWS01/120809011/Newark-man-sentenced-14-years-rape-preteen-girl?odyssey=nav%7Chead

14 years in prison.

www.click-manchester.com/news/local-news/1217263-greater-manchester-man-jailed-for-raping-boy-he-babysat.html

4 years in prison.

I can't find any news article where a man has been sentenced for rape and given less than 8 months.

Zaraa, you sound annoyed, but who with and why?
The woman was found guilty and punished, i dont really understand whats bothering you.
Did you post here all riled up hoping for a raft of feminists defending her? Not happened, has it?

For the record, i think 8 months is in no way too harsh and no, the fact she is a mother shpuld not not be taken into consideration. Terrible for the kids, but her fault, nobody elses.

I can't believe anyone would expect her to get the same sentence as
someone who had actually committed a violent crime. That's not fair at all.

You know what's not fair? Innocent men who are falsely accused of being a rapist. Rapists are among the most hated people in society along with pedos. Even if they are found not-guilty in court they still have to carry the shame and stigma with them for the rest of their lives.

Gosh, those jail terms for rape are appallingly short.

And no, I don't think someone who falsely accuses someone else of a crime should get as long a term as someone who does that crime - whatever kind of false accusation it is.

No-one should carry shame or stigma for a crime they did not do, and I find it disgusting when people do try to shame the innocent. But that does not mean that it is as bad to lie as it is to rape someone - two wrongs don't make a right.

Btw, when (it's not 'if', zaraa, it's when, men do get raped and report it), I think and hope they do get believed.

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Zaraa - wish i hadnt told you to piss off. Or called you a div. Especially as i think thats probably the kind of response you hoped for in this topic.

So for the record, i am not a FWR regular poster at all. So please dont think the mean old feminists have attacked you. It was just me...soz and all that.

No I wasn't hoping for such responses. I was hoping we could actually discuss the news article like adults.

Yes you're right of course, it does say a lot about me

I'll leave the thread now, under a cloud of shame...

Emotions run high about this subject, I think it's understandable.

I do find it upsetting that this thread seems to be all about pillorying a person who committed a crime and was punished, in a way that - sorry if this is not the intention but it's how it comes across - feels to me as if it's minimizing the crime of rape, which I feel is more serious than lying, I'm sorry, but I do feel that.

There is very little false reporting of rape. There are huge numbers of rapes which, it is estimated, are never reported. So while this thread is perfectly legit in its subject matter, it is also really upsetting that it's got the attention while unreported rapes do not.

What discussion of the news article do you want? If you just want a chorus of lock-her-ups, try AIBU or some other site. This section is for discussion about feminism.

I think what you actually want is to back The Feminists into a corner where they have to either defend her abhorrent actions, thus revealing themselves as the man-hating blinkered rad-fems that they really are, or admit a woman could do wrong, thus having to resign as a feminist for not backing a woman. That kind of thinking is binary, and doesn't reflect real life. For example: I think she did wrong, I think she should be punished/rehabilitated; I also think there are serious questions about her capability to understand the consequences of her actions, and the concept of indirectly punishing innocent children.

Maybe I'm way off the mark. Maybe you actually do want genuine discussion. But the way you've come off doesn't shout discussion, it shouts debate, with you defending the accused (admirable) and attacking the perpetrator (less so).

TheDreadedFoosa, don't leave the thread. At least you apologised which is more than can be said for most people.

Zaraa, you did rather provoke that response though. You have obviously come to this board with an agenda and you seem to be hoping for some kind of fight, but the truth is no one on this thread has denied the terrible impact of a false rape accusations on an innocent man's life.

What may be in dispute is the figures, and whether or not false allegations for rape are as numerous as rape is. Maybe you have some figures?

Zaraa - no, of course it isn't fair that innocent people get accused of anything. However, I maintain that a sentence for false accusation should not be equal to a sentence for actually committing a violent crime. The person falsely accused at least has a chance of putting the record straight, even if some idiots don't believe them. The victim of violent crime can't have that experience removed.

Zaraa btw just because a man is found innocent in court it does not mean he did not commit the rape. It usually means there was not enough solid evidence (hard to provide in rape cases) plus the fact that many jurys believe rape myths. 5% of rape cases are convicted, so a bloody lot of the accused men are actually rapists and do not get punished.

Well said eccles. I've been failing to articulate that all evening.

I have to say, I think judging someone on the basis of an accusation that has not been proven, or that has been proven wrong, is absolutely disgusting. I am not about to start campaigning for harsher sentences for people who make false accusations, on the basis that some people act like that. It'd be compounding a bad situation, not making it better.

I'm flattered.

was not enough solid evidence

Could it be possible evidence cannot be found simply because there isn't any? In other words no rape took place at all?

Zaraa so are you suggesting that 95% of rape allegations are false? (the amount thst go unconvicted) Because not enough evidence can be provided?