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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To all those people who have an issue with trans people - please read this

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enimmead · 05/06/2012 00:44

This is from a transwoman who has been jailed for 41 months. A black transwoman in the USA. I don't know if she is guilty or not. She was at a bar when a bunch of thugs started harassing her. The fact that they had Neo Nazi links was inadmissable in court. A glass got broken and a fight broke out. Ce Ce has been found guilty of stabbing someone and killing him - 41 months in jail (don't worry, it's a male jail).

This is from her blog:

supportcece.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/as-long-as-we-live-in-fear-we-live-in-ignorance/

To the many of us who have struggled, being of the GLBTQ community, this is for you. To those who have triumphed over the idea of conforming to this fascist, hateful society, this is for you. But most importantly, this is for all of our loved ones who have become victims of hate crimes and domestic violence being of the GLBTQ community, specifically Trans men and women, who are singled out and have the highest percentage of victims of hate crimes and domestic violence. My love and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of those who have lost a friend, a brother or sister, a mother or father, an auntie, uncle or cousin, or a partner or spouse to this epidemic. To all those unfortunate cases, this is for you.

In the memories of those who we have lost, it is our duty to put an effort to make a change. We should not have to sit back in the fear of our own lives and well being, or the lives and well being of those we love and care for due to the hate that exist and threatens our safety. We should not have to mourn for the lives of the people we love and have lost due to hate and careless acts. We have to stand up against those who put us down and try to oppress us. We have to enlighten the neophobics of this world and to help them realize the vast and diverse world we live in. because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance.

I thank the lord everyday for keeping me here and giving me such a profound mouth and mind to share my experiences and the trials and tribulations I?ve overcame, because honestly, I never thought I would make it past my 16th birthday. To grow up and have that thought at a young age is unsettling. The thought or feeling of knowing or expecting that today could be my last day on earth, only because someone hates me for being the person I felt would make my life happiest, or for being in an abusive and controlling relationship with someone who has no regards or remorse as to how they treat their partner is an unsettling thought. But it?s more unsettling to know that this is our reality, and that these are the issues we have to face on a day-to-day basis. And even with all that we choose to live our lives, and to continue living them proudly with gumption, bravery, and love in our minds and hearts. I know I still have faith in people, and am willing to make a change if they are willing as well.

We all grow up in different communities, with different social categorizations, but when it comes to being GLBTQ, sometimes we?re excluded and put into a category of it?s own, that is demeaning and belittling, and that no matter where you are we are singled out. I grew up in a community that was predominately African-American people. And with the fact of me just being a minority in this society was bad, being African American and trans is an ultimate challenge. I can remember having loaded guns being put to my head and being beat until bloody. Or walking downs the street and being yelled ? a faggot?. I thought because of their ignorance I decided to change my surroundings. So I moved to a suburban community, which were predominately white people. Then, I remember people grabbing their purses and children, like I was a thief and was going to steal their money and kids, and to still be yelled ?queer? or ?faggot?, which made me feel upset and that my efforts of leaving one community to another, went without victory. Also being a victim of domestic violence was also an issue that I had to deal with in my early teenage years. And fortunately I got out of that situation.

The point I was trying to make was that no matter where you go, or community you live in, people will continue to discriminate. And as long as we do not stand up for our equality, we allow them to have the upper hand against us. We allow for them to feel that?s its okay to verbally and physically attack us. And I feel that it is our duty to give these people the awareness and education about whom we truly are, and not whom they assume we are. We have to make sure that we won?t lose any more of our loved ones due to hate crimes and domestic violence. These problems are often over-looked when it comes to GLBTQ people because people feel that it isn?t as important if it happened to a straight person. Which is ironic because these problems affect us disproportionately. I feel that it is our duty to change the minds of those neophobics, because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance.

We have to be the matriarchs of this society. To start teaching our younger generations about hate, and why it?s so important not to hate. We have to end the bullying and harassment in our school systems. To organize more community actions and awareness about hate crimes and how to stop them from happening. We need to be leaders and role models for all to learn from. And from that we would be able to help and comfort someone who is unsure about his or her own sexual identity and preference. We will be able to eliminate people?s fears of being victims of hate crimes and domestic violence. To help someone to accept and be comfortable as whomever they choose to be, with no judgments or stereotypic labels attached.

And to all my brothers and sisters of the GLBTQ community, this is for us all. This is for those who are still here, and for those who have passed. With love and determination we can be the leaders. We can make a change. Because, see, what people fail to realize is that, even through their hate, bigotry, conforming, and biased views and actions that are enforced upon us,? love is inevitable and overcomes any and all things. And as long as love is in our mind and hearts, it can show us, even in fear, how to be leaders and role models, to be the leaders to show how to overcome the hate and oppression. Love is powerful enough to change the hearts of the neophobics in this world. Because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance."

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There has been so much hatred and ignorance spouted on this forum and i think some people forget trans people are people who deserve our humanity and support, not our ill informed bile and bigotry. I have been shocked at the level of anger on this thread. I have friends who are trans and they just want to exist and be accepted as people. There are a minority of activists who affect what everyone else does.

You may not accept what they believe. You may not accept the terminology. But accept they are people who are just trying to survive in a very difficult world.

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Rabbitee · 05/06/2012 15:54

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HotheadPaisan · 05/06/2012 15:55

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enimmead · 05/06/2012 15:56

You've got to wonder what it was like in the Elizabethan days?

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enimmead · 05/06/2012 15:59

I think there's a plan to have parent 1 and parent 2 on the certificate.

Wiping out mothers and fathers ?

Or a compromise to same sex couples?

BTW - what happens in the case of a surrogate parent? Whose name appears on the certificate?

Is it the sperm donor and the egg donor? Sorry - I can't really think of a better way of putting that.

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catsrus · 05/06/2012 16:17

I know about surrogates - a bit - due to an interesting conversation with an elderly lady who lives locally. Her son and DIL had gone to the USA for their surrogacy as over there the woman who gives birth is not named on the birth certificate, it would be her son and DIL. In the UK the surrogate would be named as the birth mother and then her DIL would have to adopt the child, even though she was the biological parent (egg donor).

Beachcomber · 05/06/2012 16:24

Pan, you accused me of victim mentality the other day too. (Although you took it back once I pointed out that it was an out of order personal attack on me).

What makes you think it is acceptable for you to treat posters you disagree with like this?

Beachcomber · 05/06/2012 17:08

Oh and if that ends up deleted it isn't because it contains offensive transphobic slurs. Hmm

It is because it refers to a personal attack.

enimmead · 05/06/2012 17:15

I was just saying on another thread that the debate recently has been pretty good and thoughtful.

Which is good -even if people disagree with each other.

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MiniTheMinx · 05/06/2012 17:21

Yes, thank heavens we seem to have moved away from leg waxing debates and barbie bashing.

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 08/06/2012 16:14

Interesting thread. I have to agree with the posters who said she given a very..Erm 'generous' sentence? I also wonder how much force t would take to stab someone n the heart with a pair of scissors..Even if they were meat cutting scissors or something that's a LOT of rage right there, and quite frightening.

Part of being a woman (at least for now) s accepting you cannot stop men from their filthy comments. If you want to be a woman, you must accept this..Not use violence then cry discrimination. That blog told me she has no remorse or understanding that even though this guy was a prck..He was a prick with LOVED ONES.

Excessive force?
No remorse?
Victim blaming?

She 100% belongs in prison and should have been given a significantly harsher penalty. How heartbreaking for his loved ones that he's being blamed for being brutally murdered.

IMO she should be in a male prison, the issue I have is how is she going to get socialisation? Long term isolation is a form of torture and all t will do is compound her rage and she will continue to justify what she did.

Her followers should be condemning her for being a disgrace to their community, not a victim. She stopped being a victim when she stabbed a man through the heart.

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