Disabled 'deserve' the joy of sex.

[SmellsLikeTeenStrop]

www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/disabled-deserve-sex-rights/story-e6frea83-1226310720177

In brief, the Dignity for the Disabled MP in Australia wants the tax payer to fund sex workers for the disabled.

thoughts?

Wow, Leith, way to lose any credibility on the feminist board!! Womenz? ROFL!!

I can't see anything in the Social Model or the UN Convention that says anyone (disabled or otherwise) has a right to sex with prostitutes.

They talk about how society needs to adapt its attitudes and behaviour toward those with disabilities so that they are not denied opportunities or rights, but that does not extend to the opportunity to behave in an illegal fashion and there is no 'right' to sex.

''You and others might want to only go on about poor womenz, but sometimes the problems are bigger than just the women.''

As has been pointed out before, nobody has ever died or become ill from not having sex. OTOH, prostitution has serious health implications for sex workers including but not limited too unplanned pregnancy, STI transmission and post traumatic stress disorder.

But I'll play, please tell how a disabled person not getting sex is a bigger problem than the aforementioned health risks that prostitution has on women.

Leith, I don't think that "disabled people need to have this done"

wf are you talking about ?

" It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments."

This is what I originally Said NYAC, now reading it carefully you are right I never said disabled men should be have prostitutes, or that disabled men can only get any by having sex with prostitutes, I was and have always been saying that the assumption that all disabled people will not want to use prostitutes is wrong. Also as bad as it is if any disabled person wanted to commits any crime then that should be there choice. If women can choose to act like men, or act in any way they want then the same should apply for people with impairments. Obviously they would not or should not be able to coerce anyone in to anything, but by the same token women should not shoplift, men should not rob banks with shotguns.

"No egg what is derailment is to rant on about disabled people having prostitutes paid to have sex with them but not address the reason why disabled people need to have this done. "

Disabled people don't need to have this done.
Nor do non disabled people.
HTH.

This is your whole post

This thread has thrown up some very disabelist language and ideas akin to sexism and racism. Posters who are horrified that disabled people they know who would never use sex workers and therefore there is no market for such a service are making the simple mistake of thinking they know all about every single disabled person in the country. It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments.

Apropos of nothing as far as I can see
And then the talk about how people with disabilities need to be assisted if they choose to break the law, so that they have equality.
Rubbish.

I don't think anybody said that disabled men didn't want to use prostituted women. Disabled punters I'm sure can be as woman hating as the next able bodied punter.

This thread however is about tax payers' money in Australia being used to fund disabled men having access to prostituted women. If you disagree with that proposal, then we're all on the same page.

I know little about the independent living movement, but I would hope they would not fight for the right of a racist person with a disability to have a black person beaten up by proxy. Because the fact they can't beat them up themselves is a breach of their human rights.

Ridiculous.

Or maybe wheel the elderly infirm paedophile down to the play park to have his pick now he can't walk there.

Leith, I'm baffled as to why you keep bringing up the 'rights' of disabled people to break the law or act in a morally repugnant way if they choose. Of course they can choose to act illegally or immorally, as can anyone. But sometimes their disabilities may prevent them from doing so. Are you seriously suggesting that in the interests of equality, disabled people should get assistance committing crimes or behaving immorally if they cannot do so unassisted.

I lack a penis, so I cannot commit rape. Should I demand that the State provide me with a strap on to allow me to commit rape if I choose, in the interests of sexual equality?

What a bizarre argument!

Leith, back to the original point.

Men paying women to have sex with them even though they don't want to is the problem here

if you are pro-prostitution please make that clear, then you can stop twisting people's words and we can debate that issue properly

Yea I kinda thought the womenz thing would get a reaction, my point was that the women acting as sex workers is an equal part of the story, to take Nyac suggestion further if women in oz were having sex with disabled men, and I see we are talking about men now I would just as equally say disabled women should be enjoying as much sex as they wish when they wish, then the need for prostitutes would not exist.

This brings it back to why are disabled people unable to find sexual partners, what and how do we need to change society to make that less of a problem.

Sunshine I am glad you took the time to look over those charters and documents. I am unsurprised to find no mention of right to sex as I know perfectly well what they say, that is why again unless you stop saying I said disabled people have a right I am going to report you. In this thread I have been very clear I have never said a right to sex exists. I have spoken about a right to a sex life which most people would consider a different thing. One being an act the other being part of someone's experience of life.

Smells again I have not posted one word about health risks of having or not having sex. Even the quote of mine you used has no reference to health, I would though draw your attention to something often spoke of on these boards and that is the effect on mental health that being perceived as less attractive successful, desirable as a women has on individuals. I would think but do not know of any research that would show disabled people feel much the same about being subjected to the daily outward sexualisation of society knowing that they were not party to it.

What is your definition of disability, leithlurker.

LeithLurker, do you support taxpayers money being used to fund disabled men's access to prostituted women in Australia?

I am familiar with all those documents. But there is no right to a sex life either - whether act or experience.

LeithLurker are you one of those people who think that female carers should have to turn the pages of disabled men's porn magazines for them?

There is certainly a debate to be had about why those with disabilities face more obstacles to having a sex life. But I fail to see why prostitution is considered a solution.

When the law quite rightly started to remove the obstacles faced by those with disabilities, it made society adapt. It created the opportunity for those with disabilities to take control of their own lives. Exactly as it should do. It didn't give those with disabilities privileged access to anything simply because they were disabled. You don't get a job because you're disabled but your employer quite rightly has to remove any obstacles (as far as is reasonably possible) that might prevent you from doing your job to the best of your ability.

If the same is to be applied to a sex life, then surely the correct approach is to break down attitudes that see those with disabilities as different to anyone else. Encourage more inclusion in wider society. Remove the barriers of segregation. Then people with disabilities will have just the same opportunity for a sex life as anyone else. Marking them out as different by giving them legalised access to prostitutes would seem to do the exact opposite IMO.

Well I would love to stay and debate further but I have a wife coming out of hospital sometime tomorrow and beds will need changed, floors hooverd etc. So I need to get off to bed.

FWIW The disability movement owes a lot to feminism and should probably be much more like feminists in many ways, however we have diffrences not just in language but also in worls views, we do though have many more commonalities than areas of disagreement. Someone wanted to know if I supported prostitution, not unless it was "safe" but since that will never happen then no I do not. I do support equality though and that seems to be where we have something of a block. People keep repeating I want everyone out on the streets doing robberies or feeling up kids. Yea like all disabled people are just waiting to rob and mug old ladies. It is the operation of choice I am refering to the choice, the ability to do as one pleases as right or wrong as that is. People saying that it is patronising to think disabled people would pay for sex are in that phrase denying that some people disabled and no, do already pay for sex. Anyhoo goto go big day ahead.

eggsackly, sunshine

''Smells again I have not posted one word about health risks of having or not having sex. Even the quote of mine you used has no reference to health, I would though draw your attention to something often spoke of on these boards and that is the effect on mental health that being perceived as less attractive successful, desirable as a women has on individuals. I would think but do not know of any research that would show disabled people feel much the same about being subjected to the daily outward sexualisation of society knowing that they were not party to it.''

Re what you said to sunshine, after reading your posts on this thread, you're the last person who should be threatening to report somebody because you feel they are misrepresenting your posts. KWIM?

Not feeling sexual and desirable, or being a party to a sexualised society is not a good enough excuse to exploit vulnerable women and inflict damage on them. hth. TBH I don't think there is a good excuse to do that.

I hope your wife is ok, Leithlurker

I'm in the odd situation that I don't have a sex life at all because DH is disabled. We have not had sex for nearly ten years now as he doesn't want to as he is afraid that he will become more ill. But I don't then think that I should have the right to pay someone else to have sex with me instead.

Actually, not sure that any of this is relevant to the discussion! Sorry.

Keith you said we have a civil right to commit a crime.
No one has the right to commit a crime, I would argue.

Gurl, it is relevant, IMO