Disabled 'deserve' the joy of sex.

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www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/disabled-deserve-sex-rights/story-e6frea83-1226310720177

In brief, the Dignity for the Disabled MP in Australia wants the tax payer to fund sex workers for the disabled.

thoughts?

I'm glad you would OLKN. But I think you'd be in a minority. To give you an idea, you've only got to look at what happens to women who aren't sex workers when in court as victims of rape.

Oh, I know, sunshine, you're right. Depressing, isn't it?

"Sex for prostitutes carries the risk of death, serious injury, rape, sexual disease, loss of fertility and emotional harm. It is incomparable to any other line of 'work'"

Plenty of jobs have the risk of death, serious injury, and emotional harm. Not many with the sexual element to it, granted, but that seems an arbitrary line to draw.

Interesting this should come up on the same night that C4 are showing the undateables.

Just glad this sort of thing isn't happening over here. Australia is a strange country and the fact that prostitutes in whorehouses "good" brothels are amongst the top 10% of wage earners (source from a discovery programme) just makes me glad that I don't live there (sorry to any australians reading this).

People with disabilities may not deserve sex, but they don't deserve being likened to the "plain ugly", the "lacking in the personality department" or indeed prisoners, either.
The concern here for the rights of women may be impeccable but let us try and be equally enlightened in our approach to others who get a rough deal from society too, eh?

ecclesvet - name me one job in Australia or the UK that carries the same degree of risk as prostitution for all those factors.

Reactionary.

They? You call people with disabilities "they" I notice.

There are people on this thread with disabilities.
The first boy I kissed was someone I met on the ward in a children's hospital and he most certainly had disabilities.
Please don't make assumptions about people on this thread. For some, "they" are "us".

RF, I cannot see your point being demonstrated anywhere on this thread

People with a disability are being afforded the same amount of respect as the rest of the population they help to comprise. Lots of people have said the idea of sex workers purely for people with disabilities is at best patronising and divisive.

haven't you read all the thread ?

This thread has thrown up some very disabelist language and ideas akin to sexism and racism. Posters who are horrified that disabled people they know who would never use sex workers and therefore there is no market for such a service are making the simple mistake of thinking they know all about every single disabled person in the country. It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel. The independent living movement although not explicitly talking about sex does actively work towards each person being able to make decisions about their own lives, so if they choose to pay for sex, buy drugs, be racist it is there choice. Let us stop talking about disabled people like children by using blanket statements like it is patronising to disabled people, there are no disabled people their are people with impairments.

That tlc link is seriously disturbing

Let me use another blanket statement then

I don't agree with the right of anybody to pay another person for sex

is that "blanket" enough ?

It also denies the need that disabled people have for the opportunity to direct their own lives and not be told what they can and cannot do or feel.

People with disabilities can of course feel what they like. But they can indeed be told what to do - the same as the rest of the population living under the laws of the land. People with disabilities have no more rights over a woman's body than anyone else and while I cannot claim to speak for all disabled people, I'm pretty sure I speak for anyone - disabled or otherwise - who believes that a woman's welfare is more important than anyone else's desire (not right) for sex.

Those who are saying they know disabled people who are having active sex lives may want to reflect on this report from Disability Now.
www.disabilitynow.org.uk/living/features/sex-talking-for-ourselves/?searchterm=sex

I think someone hasn't read the thread

Annoying.

"Those who are saying they know disabled people who are having active sex lives may want to reflect on this report from Disability Now."

Who is that aimed at, on this thread?

Since this bill is specifically about the employment of sex workers specifically for people with disabilities, I think we can forgive us all for talking about them as a group

it's actually impossible not to, if you wish to address the specific issues being raised

If people (with or without disabilities) aren't CHOOSING to have sex with people with disabilities, then that is something that can be addressed.

Use of prostitutes is not the answer, for anyone.

on the other hand, if you wish to discuss something else entirely then go right ahead

I agree with leithlurker I am shocked by some of the attitudes in this thread and how many generalisations have been written as the truth

There is no such thing as women either - there are many individuals who share the characteristic of having the same sex organ.

I just read the link to the disability now article.

I know a man who has a very annoying and sometimes uncomfortable skin condition. On a stag do he slept with a prostitute. he told me (while pissed in the pub) that he did it because he can't bear anyone to see him naked. Righto. Whatever. A year later he met someone and got married. And he wasn't a virgin before. He was simply justifying his use of a prostitute to himself (and to me, not that I asked ).

This whole thing is an extension of this entitlement.

Sex is not a human right
It is not a basic need
Just because men who are not disabled can buy sex does not mean that is OK. It is not OK. It is just so ARRRGHH to bring this up as a disability rights issues. Most men with disabilities, like most men without disabilites, find the idea of paying for sex undesirable at best, and repugnant at worst. Having a disability does not give anyone an opt-out on basic humanity.

And when did the law stop people thinking and carrying out such actions as robbery, or driving with out a insurance or a licence.
My point was that in terms of civil liberties disabled people are as open to break any law as they want, the patronising assumption that they would not want to only means that if a disabled person commits a crime like procuring a prostitute they are even more denied their humanity. Seen not as just disabled or male, or female, but deviant because as disabled people they will not be interested in paying for sex.

Again the sweeping statement of any woman who does not want to be a mother would be as wrong as saying all disabled people would not or should not want to pay for sex.

Oh BLAH show us the horrendous disablism and how awful we all are.

A man with a disability does not have a right to sex.
And neither does a man with a disability.
So what's the problem.

Procuring a prostitute is not a crime.

Leith who on this thread has said any of the things in your post?

HMM?