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Disabled 'deserve' the joy of sex.

213 replies

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 03/04/2012 16:57

www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/disabled-deserve-sex-rights/story-e6frea83-1226310720177

In brief, the Dignity for the Disabled MP in Australia wants the tax payer to fund sex workers for the disabled.

thoughts?

OP posts:
Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:00

If people feel concerned about some disabled people not having access to sex they should volunteer themselves. That would be the humane thing to do, rather than expecting a sexually exploited woman to fill the gap.

EggyFucker · 03/04/2012 22:00

The Feminism board gets hijacked for all sorts of reasons. I didn't see this one coming. < shrug >

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:04

"In other words something that up to this point the majority of disabled people have not been able to have for reasons that are to do with identity and the way society views disability, as well as the technical aspects as well."

This is rubbish.

What is your definition of disabled.

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:05

Quite, nyac.

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:06

"A sex life should be the norm for everyone"

Everyone?

Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:09

Well we couldn't have men who weren't able to stick their penises somewhere could we? It's against nature.

sunshineandbooks · 03/04/2012 22:11

We adapt society so that it doesn't discriminate against those with disabilities. How can providing prostitutes be considered an extension of ensuring doorways are a certain width and have a ramp, or that a hearing loop is in place?

A sex life should be the norm for everyone it should be what we want for everyone, even the less desirable parts like one night stands, or infidelity.

If a sex life should be the norm for everyone then there are a hell of a lot of people without disabilities who are not normal. And while I understand the sentiment, one night stands and infidelity tend to involve consenting adults entering into it for no other reason that a mutual desire to have sex. By its very nature, prostitution can't be described like that.

StealthPolarBear · 03/04/2012 22:12

No one has the right to commit a crime, surely?

Leithlurker · 03/04/2012 22:13

Sardine you said
"People with disabilities are just as likely to be violent or peadophiles as anyone else. Just because men who are not disabled can act on these desires, does not mean that men who are disabled should be allowed to, in the name of equality."

This is a very troubling statement not least because you choose to view disabled men as offenders, you could have easily have used a positive image but you did not. But let that go for now, the point you make about disabled men not being able to carry out paedophilia because they are disabled would seem to suggest you regard that as something to be celebrated, like "thank god they wont be able to do that as they are disabled". This is a use of the language that I have seen on this thread that I would consider disabelist as you are implying the disability is something that reduces the threat, in which case you place the value of the disability higher than the value of the person.

Also and the main problem with this is that you have no means that I am aware of, of identifying who is a paedophile so your argument about disabled men should not be free as non disabled men are to commits crime hinges on the fact that in order to prevent just that, all disabled men would have to be prevented from having sex.

StealthPolarBear · 03/04/2012 22:13

Bring me someone to pick pocket. It's my right

Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:14

What men do to prostituted women isn't sex. It's masturbating inside a body, the owner of which has been paid not to reject the mastubator.

sunshineandbooks · 03/04/2012 22:16

Leithlurker I'm pretty sure you're the only person putting that spin on Sardine's words. I think most people, like me, would say that Sardine is advocating less 'othering' than you are with your insistence that people with disabilities are missing out unless they can rape vulnerable women.

Sorry SQ, I know you don't need me to speak for you.

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:17

Leithlurker

You haven't actually read the thread, have you.

Anyway

I wrote "People with disabilities are just as likely to be violent or peadophiles as anyone else. Just because men who are not disabled can act on these desires, does not mean that men who are disabled should be allowed to, in the name of equality."

and your response is that you find that a "troubling statement". Bloody hell.

sunshineandbooks · 03/04/2012 22:17

If you find that offensive because I'm putting words in your mouth, consider what you are doing to SardineQueen.

Leithlurker · 03/04/2012 22:17

Nyac if you would be a willing volunteer then I am sure I can put you in touch with the nearest independent living group to you and you could go talk to them. The fact that you may be in a minority of one would suggest is why your suggestion of a band of sex volunteers would not work, but just a thought since all volunteers are entitled to expenses which I presume would come from the public purse how would this be different from using prostitutes.

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:18

feel free sunshine :)

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:19

Your suggestion that Nyac go and have sex with people she doesn't want to have sex with is extraordinarily offensive.

Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:21

I'm not a willing volunteer.

I don't think disabled men have a right to sex any more than non-disabled men do.

It's you who is advocating vulnerable prostituted women to be used in this way, so I think you should put your own body on the line, not theirs, if this is that important to you.

EggyFucker · 03/04/2012 22:21

It's just common or garden Derailment, innit

SardineQueen · 03/04/2012 22:24

Infuriating.

Leithlurker · 03/04/2012 22:27

Yes I have read the entire thread so what? I was posting what I thought was a perfectly legitimate point of view based on what had been said before, the fact it relates not to the paying of prostitutes in OZ, or as Nyac would seem to infer my desire to allow women to be raped for money, which unless she can show me where or how I said and implied that I will report her for. Then I am afraid my postings are very much to the point.

I can use the :
Social Model of Disability
The Medicle model of Disability
The DWP model of Disability
The UN convention of Human rights model of disability, which would you prefer Sardine?

I did not and again until you show me exactly where I did say, disabled people should commits crime, or that they have a right to commits crime. I said they should not have any barriers to doing so as it would be there choice, they would be responsible, and they would be punished just like any one else irrespective of their disability.

EggyFucker · 03/04/2012 22:28

Wasn't Ricky Tomlinson good looking in his youth ? Blimey.

Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:29

Have I misread your posts LeithLurker. Aren't you advocating that disabled men who want them should be provided with prostituted women to use for sex.

Leithlurker · 03/04/2012 22:33

No egg what is derailment is to rant on about disabled people having prostitutes paid to have sex with them but not address the reason why disabled people need to have this done.

You and others might want to only go on about poor womenz, but sometimes the problems are bigger than just the women.

Nyac · 03/04/2012 22:36

Yes let's ignore sexually exploited women in the Feminist section. Good one!

Because the rights of a man (disabled or not) to stick their cock in a woman, always trumps any harm that might be done to her.