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Something that's been bothering me

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mumwithdice · 01/04/2012 10:25

I've been doing a lot of reading lately and talking with DH about his work. He says that one difficulty he has is with women whom he knows to be capable and competent coming up to ask him to do really ridiculously simple things in breathy little-girl type voices (they put these voices on specifically). He tries to manage this by showing them how to do whatever it is not doing it for them. He has also had women try to avoid learning any technical things which are requirements for their jobs (opening zip files) by using the stereotype of women not being capable of techy stuff as a get-out clause.

So what bothers me? I suppose, really, I keep feeling that texts are telling me that women don't bear any responsibility for their actions because we live in a patriarchy. That is, that there is nothing wrong with the women above because they're trying to get by in the system. And yet at the same time, I feel that actions like that do a disservice to women who can and do want to do technical things because it only reinforces stereotypes.

So can women do a disservice to other women and thus to the aims of feminism?

I am genuinely asking because I don't know the answer, it really bothers me not to know, and because I've found this board quite good at answering questions. Also, again, if this is Feminism 101, please tell me and I will look it up there.

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swallowedAfly · 06/04/2012 13:25

a lot of it is incredibly misogynistic and massively guided by a sort of ethnocentricity that leaves the texts very uncritical in it's assumptions of what is natural/normal/etc. for example the life stages are very reflective of a western moment in time and the way people were expected to live but presented as some universal pattern.

garlicbutter · 06/04/2012 13:33

The ethnocentricity is a major current issue, I gather.

I had one male gestalt therapist, which was interesting as we discovered the sexism at work together. My last therapist was specifically a feminist psychologist; not so rare at all these days - in the UK, at least; don't know about other places. All of the women I worked with were sharply alert to how gender imbalance affects women.

I absolutely love TA, InAnyOtherSoil! As you may have noticed, I'm very interested in power "games" and how they work at every level. I also like Berne's evident affection for people, no matter who they are, and his optimism. I'm less keen on some modern TA developments so, after skim-reading them, have more or stuck with EB's original texts for personal use.

InAnyOtherSoil · 06/04/2012 13:34

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garlicbutter · 06/04/2012 13:35

the life stages are very reflective of a western moment in time

YY, and good psychologists are aware of that. I think you're going to enjoy your forthcoming studies!

BasilFoulTea · 06/04/2012 13:47

lol at sf pronouncing on the sisterhood. Like you're a qualified sister an' all

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