Vile vile Ann Summers product

[Dillytante]

Apologies if there has already been a thread on this.

Bj strap

I actually don't know what to say about this.

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BDSM is not abuse, however it IS open to abuse (not the right term but im sure you know what i mean). As beachcomber said, this is not the place for this discussion. It is just one that interests me, for obvious reasons, im not looking for an argument.

yes but the act of penetration - as in penis enters vagina - is the same.
I think we're agreeing on that point.

Lots of people HAVE been damaged by whipping, though. That's the point of it, whether or not individual BDSMers practise a toned down pretend version of it or not.

x posts - not looking for an argument either
Though the discussion is not entirely irrelevent

Nobody would ever view rape the same as sex between a loving couple, though, would they? So why consider abuse and consensual BDSM as the same either?

I'll shut up now, though. :)

You fire on SinicalSanta - that is exactly the point I'm making.

Because, Whisky, the pain/submission/degredation/whatever is the point of BDSM? One person wields power over the other - BDSM is power relations personified and fetishized.

Cheers Beachcomber.

AsCorrupt re rape vs sex between couple being equated, well the first thing that springs to mind is a rape trial, and the second thing is 'he's my husband, it couldn't be rape'

BDSM is not the same as abuse, but isn't it playing at it?

Rape and sex between a genuinely loving couple is not equated, but abuse and BDSM between a genuinely loving and respectful couple is.

I'm sorry, but I don't see what you mean there.

All Ann summers products are vile. To be fair, it is in the bondage section. For some reason that floats some people's boats...

The comparison is not that though. The comparison is with penetration.

Penetration = penetration - be it consensual or not.

Hitting, whipping, restraining, hurting, humiliating, etc, (AKA as abuse) = Hitting, whipping, restraining, hurting, humiliating, etc (AKA as abuse) - be it consensual or not.

It is very straightforward really.

But that has no relevance at all. That is just calling an apple an apple rather than an orange. If that is what you have been arguing all this time, I see no point.

And realhousewife, that is somewhat judgemental, don't you think?

I understand the premise of Beachcomber's argument.

It is not apples and oranges at ALL. I'm quite shocked that you think that, Whisky.

Consent is the most important thing of all, and often gets missed when talking about BDSM - consent is usually obtained via discussion about what is and what isn't acceptable.

This does not change the fact that people can - and do - consent to abuse. That's what BDSM is! If it wasn't taboo, there wouldn't be an attraction.

Others on this thread have already pointed out that BDSM is serious business that has no place being 'mainstreamed'.

I'm just naming BDSM for what it is - fetshized abuse.

I find it helpful to be clear about these things. It is why I can see the jolly old BJ strap that started this thread in the first place for what it is - the main-streaming of the fetishization of abuse.

Which is exactly the same thing as the main-streaming of abuse.

but beachcomber, did you not read that i get actual pleasure from it, that done properly it doesnt hurt? Its not about abuse or humiliation, at least its not for me

I'm perfectly aware that BDSMers get pleasure from abuse/being abused.

I gather that is the whole point of it.

The heightened feelings/nonsensation of pain is just a plain old fashioned adrenaline rush.

that's the eroticisation aspect of it though, isn't it?

so whats the problem then?

Oh, for the love of Mike.

I'm actually starting to get a little irked with this. Presumably those on the thread who like BDSM practices have, y'know, had a little chatette with the person you're doing it with? Just to make sure that you're on the same page? Because you recognise the seriousness of what you're doing?

So why do you think it's ok for stuff like this to be presented as a toy to keep your hair neat? Because that's what it is.

I'm willing to lay down a crisp tenner that any of the serious BDSM practitioners on this thread would be horrified to have someone whip out shit like a BJ strap and then tell them that it was to keep their hair neat.

I am willing to bet a further tenner that they would run away from the person. Because while they might not have a problem with being choked, they will have a problem with someone who won't acknowledge the seriousness of the act.

I agree with you Victor, 100% I believe i said something along those lines up thread, but clearly just not very well.

But hang on a minute, who said anything about keeping hair neat? Please tell me they dont market it as a tool to keep your hair neat? P.M.S.L!!!!!! wtaf

And that's even before we get started on the fact that here is another image to add to the millions of a) woman on her knees and b) woman's submission being sexy. It's another atom on the landslide of shit that tells us all that 'woman+submission = sexy'.

There's a lot more range to women than that - but that's not what's shown, is it?

Bob, in the nicest possible way, please read the advert again!

A submissive woman very often does = sexy, just as a dominant woman can be sexy too. I'd switch but my DP is a wuss!

I did, i don't think they were being literal! id rather have birdsnest hair though