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Starwiser: women don't like these acts, they hurt and they require painkillers. They do them to please their men.

Why? This is the essential question. Why would a young woman who is more educated, statistically, and likely to earn more, why would she do this?

Yes I'm fully aware women have sexual fantasies.

Which were the ones free from patriarchy? Were they able to access a parallel universe?

Exactly MrsArchie.
The most valid post on this thread IMO.

The point is the book is old though!

Which acts are we referring to though dworkin?

Alice that is ridiculous. How could possibly claim every individuals woman must be influenced by the patriarchy? Extreme to the extreme

Ok I will check it out myself double as a ressearcher I am always sceptical on statistics. However sinical must disagree where do you get your opinion that women do it to keep men happy and get nothing in return ?? Whether me and my girlfriends are all raging pornos with pleasing husbands or your view is distorted by media

Starwisher women have been fantasising about rape, submission and all sorts of patriarchal things since way before the 70s.

Nancy Friday's book may have lifted a taboo about women liking sex and having fantasies but it didn't change that fact that the sex women like and the fantasies we have are influenced by the fact that we live in a patriarchal society.

Which came first though the porn or the fantasy?

Surely someone, somewhere had to have a fantasy before porn got born in order to capture this on film.Including women with their own private fantasies.

How about women who dont even watch porn?

You really think porn in the 60's and 70's and before incorporated women's fantasies and desires??

You don't have to watch actual porn. I knew as a teenager about the film Deep Throat and its "storyline" in spite of never seeing it.

No I doubt it Lesley but that's the point. If no porn was been made to reflect women's fantasies how can you then argue they were getting influenced?

Ridiculous? Or feminist analysis? Yes I do think that every human on the planet is affected by patriarchy. No one lives in a vacuum. We all live in society. On a feminist board I don't think that is a remotely unusual viewpoint.

Because porn was made for men reflecting some men's fantasies. And of course that influences women and the wider media.

Starwisher, I think you are putting too much emphasis on porn.

Porn didn't pop up out of nowhere. Porn is a graphic representation of patriarchal values. The values existed before porn, porn has just 'mediaized' them. Which is concerning, but the real problem is the values themselves (women as the sex class).

Mentally healthy? Oh dear.

Sorry your just ott now.

So all the women on here, on this thread, who confess to willingly and actively liking forceful oral sex (this does not include me) don't really like it, they just think do?

No idea who sade is so I couldn't qualify an answer

What is extreme about stating that humans are influenced by society?

Bleedin' obvious more like.

And SHOCK HORROR that includes our sex lives!

They might, they might not, who knows. It's not about what individuals do or don't like.

You reading a bit much into a word....

I'm not talking about you or me, though.

I'm talking about societal patterns. The pattern is that women 'allow' men to have sex with them, for a variety of reasons excluding desire.
Money, security, individual approval from the man in their life, and society t large.

Note 'prude who hates sex' being such a popular insult. If we were truly liberated that would be a perfectly valid position to take. But it's not, and very very many women do things they re not happy with to ensure that label won't stick to them.