Vile vile Ann Summers product

[Dillytante]

Apologies if there has already been a thread on this.

Bj strap

I actually don't know what to say about this.

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imnotmymum - there has been plenty of research into this subject and the findings are disturbing to anybody with a brain cell. No offence intended anybody btw. It's all there on google. The assumption that all is fine if Ann Summers sells it is what is so disturbing- are we producing a generation of women who don't want to question anything? I had higher hopes tbh.

Nobody here is suggesting one individual is right or wrong in their views. The discussion here in recent threads is the damage not pleasure that this kind of product being sold on our high streets may potentially do in those not yet ready to participate in such specific types of sex.

Exactly SinicalSanta we are no longer Stepford 1950s housewives, lying back and thinking of England. We are liberated Stepford Sluts who love pornified sex and the fetishizing of oppression.

That's the backlash equality for you - it's sexxay.

doubleshotespresso - that's exactly it; the difference between damage and pleasure and that some women won't stop to question whether they should be getting anything out of sex, just that they're there for men's pleasure.

Just out of curiousity, how many women on here would consider using something like that themselves?

Me, nope.

Not for me no......

Beachcomber

Read nancy Fridays "my secret garden"

Some women have been "slutty" for years

It doesn't bother me more than anything else if it's done between consenting adults. Some people like being tied down, how is this any different?

I don't like vibrators though - some of them look terrifying! Not letting that within 10 ft of me.

What on earth does that have to do with anything, Starwisher? 'Slutty' ffs. This isn't about women experimenting and enjoying sex, nobody here has said they have a problem with that. It's about women increasingly being reduced to wank toys in porn and now, yippee, more mainstream culture and sold on the idea that it's liberated.

If you had read the book you would know exactly why my point was relevant

I think it's rude to refer to someone as "slutty" if they do enjoy sexual acts that may be featured in porn.

Thanks but I'll pass Starwisher.

'Stepford Slut' is a reference to Gail Dines. I am not slut shaming or claiming that women are not sexual.

I'm saying our sexuality is not free from patriarchy.

I am not referring to women as 'slutty' and neither is Gail Dines - 'Stepford Slut' is a rhetorical device and used as a tool for feminist analysis.

I think it is vile and women hating to call a woman a slut.

Good beachcomber I was just a bit surprised you used the word, but I'm glad you took the time to explain so I now understand

But why don't you want to read the book? If your interested in woman's sexuality?

I meant with regard to research as to if abuse that comes from men and porn sex aids etc is a majority or a minority and most women are happy with their sex life whether using bondage or not. And who leads this research ?? And no I would not use above item not because of any other rreason that it is so funny my man using a lacy silky thing to be dominant !!

imnotmymum -it's probably me (it's been quite a day) but I've read your last post 3 times now and I'm still not getting your point?

I am talking about research into the potential damage this type of product can do. Not how many housewives are into or not into a bit of bondage or not. The high street has a responsibility to allow young women time to develop,explore and then and only then make a choice.

Isn't a book about women's sexual fantasies? Unless these are women who have been beamed in from Planet Nopatriarchy, I don't think I want to read it. .

I would be very interested in discussing female sexuality with women who have not had their sexual tastes and desires influenced by male dominated society. I don't think there are any though.

rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/02/07/please-somebody-come-and-defend-kinkcom/

BDSM is a niche market that should never be on our high streets. BTW don't go on kink.com as it is illegal to do do in the UK.

Here

So if we want to know about women's sexuality we need to read that book rather than speak with other women on a really busy forum populated by lots of women?

There are no, repeat to self and send memo, NO women in this world who have not had their sexuality primed by the patriarchy.

And bonobos don't count. Ok?

'Nancy Friday's successful fantasy revelations (My Secret Garden, Forbidden Flowers)' have seen her placed among 'the feminist erotic pioneers'.[1] Her writings argue that women have often been reared under an ideal of womanhood which was outdated and restrictive, and largely unrepresentative of many women's true inner lives, and that openness about women's hidden lives could help free women to truly feel able to enjoy being themselves. She asserts that this is not due to deliberate malice, but due to social expectation, and that for women's and men's benefit alike it is healthier that both be able to be equally open, participatory and free to be accepted for who and what they are.

nothing hs changed, we're still expected to keep our men happy, without getting anything in return except the sheer joy of his presence. Whether that means gritting ones teeth 6 weeks after childbirth or wearing a bj strap the message is clear, keep him happy, love, or he'll get it elsewhere.

No Alice

People are claiming women only like certain acts due to porn becoming mainstream

This book was published in the 1970 before porn got all " cool " and mainstream, proving that Infact some women have had fantasies that are nothing to do with porn, and seeing as sex was a closed topic for some of these women born earlier even away from the patriarchy.

OMG

The book was about fantasies. Like many women I have fantasies that I would be horrified to catually act out. I don't think thats uncommon. And the idea of sexual domination via porn was around in the 70's