it's not Narnia, it's the Feminist Section!

[JaneMare]

i thought i'd start a thread for those of us who don't normally post in here, so we can chat without derailing (any further ) the thread about strip clubs.

shall we stay then?

I am always puzzled by the references to "extreme" feminists. Nobody can ever give me qn actual example of q rql life person expressing the views ascribed to "extreme" feminists. They say vague things like "oh, I know someone who was told off for wearing nice shoes" or " I heard that someone was told that she couldn't be a feminist and live with a man" but there are nor any actually quotations and references. It does sound a lot like the anti feminist rhetoric that the right wing press has been peddling for years.

I'd just like to point out that people are fully not aware of the effects on marketing on their subconscious beliefs and attitudes which then manifest in action.

I have seen work done by this company using this basic premise as a starting point for their research into the effectiveness of marketing.

www.cogresearch.com/implicit-research.html

So even if on a conscious level you think you are aware of all the marketing (or covert power structures) on a subconscious level you will still be internalising some of those messages and that will be influencing you and your behaviour even if you think it isn't. nothing new there, but what is interesting about these people is they can show how marketing affects what they call your 'implicit mind' and they can prove it!

I'll be bringing chocolate cake btw

I've got a question for you all - I am fairly new to discussing feminism so still get my head round all of it, and mn has been fantastic in that regard.

So I was reading this article which was posted upthread

radicalhub.com/2012/01/31/fun-with-numbers-the-sex-positive-equation/

And the author says PIV = female risk

But she doesn't explain why as far as I can tell (I'm pretty tired), she just says PIV might get a woman pregnant or kill her. I am not sure how it will kill her unless via childbirth or STD's. However STD's affect both sexes and I don't think the patriarchy made childbirth dangerous, or the only way to have a child. I am also not 100% clear what PIV actually stands for although I pretty confident about what I think it means (penetrative sex)

If I should be starting a new thread to ask these kind of questions let me know, but seeing as you are all here I thought I would ask.

Oh, well, since you have chocolate cake ...

PIV = penis in vagina

As I understand it:

• PIV is only one way to have good sex - so if you live in a society where contraception is fallible (all of us!), or problematic in other ways (eg. it's expensive, or makes you feel bad, or whatever), or non-existent, you could choose to have an orgasm in some way that doesn't risk pregnancy.

Even in our Western society and even in the UK where contraception is free, unwanted pregnancy happens a lot.

Historically in the UK, and still in many parts of the world, pregnancy is a huge killer of women, not to mention unwanted pregnancy being bad for mental and physical heath.

Of course, it's true pregnancy risks are largely/partly (not completely) our biology. But the fact that PIV is seen as the definitive, and standard, way to have recreational sex, that suggests somewhere along the line, society developed to privilege as normal the kind of sex most likely to endanger women's lives.