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I will stop being a feminist when ...

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 22:52

Thread prompted by one in AIBU ...

? Women's performance is always evaluated separately from their appearance.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in government.
? Half of all CEOs are women, matched equally with men by corporate worth and reward packages.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in the judiciary.
? Women carry equal weight in the military and law-enforcement services.
? Half of all wealth is owned by women.
? Women's fertility is not given as an excuse for their disenfrachisement.
? No woman is blamed for her own rape.
? Mainstream pornography does not promote violence against women.
? Mainstream media do not promote the sexualisation of women.
? No woman is expected to tolerate violence against her person.

That'll do for starters.

As a free extra: I will accept that men's rights movements have equal validity when ...

? All of the above.
? Men accept full responsibility, of all kinds, for all of their children, as automatically as women do.

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:31

I do agree with much of your last post, MJ. Feminism seems to be going backwards in many respects, to my utter dismay.

I think I understand your problem better now, HC, thank you. It's that you've got such an enormous penis you can hardly persuade anybody to have sex with you for fear of injury. Must be rather difficult. May I suggest using a tight-fitting condom? The discomfort might prevent your purple-headed monster from reaching maximum size, thus improving your sexual opportunities while reducing your need to run away from any babies you may have created.
Win-win :)

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HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:32

garlicnutter

Yes, that's the level of your debating skills!

WorkingClassMum · 27/12/2011 00:32

WorkingClassMum

Yawn!

(and learn to spell "you're").

Oh, I can spelz the bestest, it's my typin' that fails me.

Derailing aside, I'll also stop pushing the feminist issue when the male contraception pill is actually created and men stop having excuses about controlling their fertility.

Lackree · 27/12/2011 00:33

Sorry - should have clarified! Legally im sure thats the case, I meant in more of a general societal viewpoint, I was reading recently about (particularly in America) 'deadbeat moms' - how in some states its almost taboo for a entitled men to legally request financial support.

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 00:33

You said that 'dickcovers' ruined sex, and that they didnt fit the well endowed. Were you not talking about yourself in that situation?

PS correcting people's typos doesn't make you sound clever.

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:34

Yes, if a woman has sex without contraception, then she is choosing to possibly start a baby. She can't do that without your - ahem, input, though, so YOU have EQUAL choice.

You can only start a baby if NEITHER of you chose to prevent it.

Am surprised you find that hard to grasp ... how old are you? Confused

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caramelwaffle · 27/12/2011 00:34

"I will stop being a feminist...when I die"

Nice and simple, eh? Wink

Plus all the points in the first few points.

caramelwaffle · 27/12/2011 00:35

*posts

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:36

:) caramel

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HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:36

garlinutter You still don't get this do you? Let me make it even clearer. If the woman chooses to have sex with a man, and she knows that she's not on contraception and/or he isn't "covered", then it's her issue if she gets pregnant.
Blimey!

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:39

facepalm

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Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:40

HC what you fail to grasp is because the man or woman in question chooses to for go or negate using contraception does not change the fact they have made a child with a person who chose not to use it either...do you get that?

Boffyflow · 27/12/2011 00:41

I'm a lurker on Mumsnet and don't often post.

Most of your points would surely be negated if women took responsibility for themselves? We are treated as we allow ourselves to be treated.

Why should half of all wealth belong to women?
Re. employment, I would hope that the job goes to the most suitably qualified and able person, be that male or female.

I am 57 years old and have never, ever felt 'less equal' than a man.
Stand up for yourselves. I have never felt pressurised to 'do Christmas', cook meals, work part-time etc and I was happily married (with children) for many years.

I don't agree with your points about rape. Again, it is about taking personal responsibility. Without going into too much analysis, men ARE 'wired up' differently - do you not understand that?
It also works both ways - how many women these days make false allegations of rape as a manipulation/revenge tactic?

And what's wrong with being told to 'cheer up love, it may never happen' ffs?

Tortington · 27/12/2011 00:41

how does it feel to have no control over the creation of your offspring hatescensorship?

OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 27/12/2011 00:41

HC 'And "a dick cover" ruins sex, and they don't fit well endowed men either'

They're called condoms. And my ex (11.5 inches Grin) had no problem wearing a standard condom.

So, I'd suggest you're either lying about your willy size, or doing condom-wearing wrong. Which is it?

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:42

you are both accountable...you have both made a child ...no one is more accountable than the other

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:42

No, Mumcentreplus, if the woman says she's on the pill, which is virtually infallible when used correctly, then it's her issue, whether the man is "covered" or not.

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:42

One ... last ... try ...

HC, your opinion that conception is a woman's responsibility totally negates my principle that Men accept full responsibility, of all kinds, for all of their children. You reject responsibility from the very beginning.

Therefore you are an enemy of women. In my opinion.

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HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:43

Good post Boffyflow

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:45

you both had sex...your child is half you...sorry you chose to not give a shit...control your sperm

MJinSparklyStockings · 27/12/2011 00:46

Actually thats one thing I dont get about this section, I love working part time, I would work less if we could afford it, I genuinely love being at home with the DCs, I think that DH has the raw end of the deal having to go to work 5/6 days a week and if he had the sort of job where we could both work part time, then I would up my hours, he would drop his.

The posts about the burden of child care, dont make a lot of sense to me, because I dont see it as a burden, I see work as a burden to be endured for the sake of financial necessity.

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:46

garlicnutter

One last try! I would reject that "principle" if a man had been mislead into fatherhood. And conception is a woman's responsibility (or irresponsibility)...nature made it that way, not opinion.

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 00:47

boffy how can or should a woman 'take personal responsibility' for being raped? I genuinely don't understand your point.

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:47

as i said..you chose to give your contraception over to another...good luck...you are still a father that does not change...

OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 27/12/2011 00:48

Blofly, the thing about 'cheer up, it may never happen' is the fact that, in my experience, it's always some random bloke telling a woman to smile because it's spoiling his day.

Why should any woman smile to please a strange man, FFS?

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