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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I will stop being a feminist when ...

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 22:52

Thread prompted by one in AIBU ...

? Women's performance is always evaluated separately from their appearance.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in government.
? Half of all CEOs are women, matched equally with men by corporate worth and reward packages.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in the judiciary.
? Women carry equal weight in the military and law-enforcement services.
? Half of all wealth is owned by women.
? Women's fertility is not given as an excuse for their disenfrachisement.
? No woman is blamed for her own rape.
? Mainstream pornography does not promote violence against women.
? Mainstream media do not promote the sexualisation of women.
? No woman is expected to tolerate violence against her person.

That'll do for starters.

As a free extra: I will accept that men's rights movements have equal validity when ...

? All of the above.
? Men accept full responsibility, of all kinds, for all of their children, as automatically as women do.

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:15

HC, you think it's ridiculous to cover your dick if you don't want a baby??

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:18

When women are expected to pay child support as much as men in appropriate scenarios.

Agree with this, but thought it was already the case?

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WorkingClassMum · 27/12/2011 00:19

"HC, a man's just as capable as a woman of ensuring he doesn't start a baby

Well, if we want to be ridiculous about it. But if a woman says she's dealt with the contraception, then men are entitled to walk away if that was a lie, or her own incompetence regarding contraception caused the pregnancy."

Men have just as much control of their fertility as a woman does and to suggest otherwise is bollocks. If someone jumps into sex with another person without establishing a trusting relationship first then they reap what they sow. If a person doesn't have complete faith and trust in the person they are shagging there's more than just a baby to worry about.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 27/12/2011 00:19

HC doesn't have an agenda, ohhh nooo

Xmas Grin
Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:20

the way I look at it is....you don't control your own contraception man or woman then you are open to having a child...it's that simple..why is it ok for a man to walk away when a women says everything is covered???...sorry but you have left yourself at the mercy of another and obviously too lazy to give a shit

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:21

garlicnutter

You're not getting this are you? It's the woman's choice, if she has sex without whatever contraception (including on the man), and falls pregnant, it's her issue.

And "a dick cover" ruins sex, and they don't fit well endowed men either.

MJinSparklyStockings · 27/12/2011 00:21

GN, the only non paying NRP I have had to tolerate in my social circle (having made active choices not to associate with people who dont support their own children), is DHs ex, also my baby sitters mother who didnt pay maint for years, then demanded a share of the equity in FMH.

More NRPs are male, but, personally, I think, not paying, is perhaps a feature of an NRP regardless of gender.

What I have come to see, from some of the posters on the Fem Sec, is that,

I have often thought it unfair that people like my husband, who was ousted from one of his childrens lives because he was not a main carer (depite being an excellent father) would be better of in a more "feminist" world, because in a world (and this is one such example), where family freindly policies extended to both sexes, less "women" would be main carers, benefitting the womans carer, and the mans ability to care for his own child.

As a public sector worker, it is my, and only my, opinion, that Feminism as it stands, is under going huge leaps and bounds backwards, the first thing that appears to be disappearing are the huge changes in the last few decades in part time and flexible working, which although impacting on both men and women, if clearly affecting women more as a larger proportion of the part time work force is female.

I am seeing a move back to the days when caring for children was, by necessity the domain of one parent (which ever gender), because the working world, was simply not set up to assist the working parent.

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:22

Don't worry...i don't have an STD..because I said so.... WTF???

MJinSparklyStockings · 27/12/2011 00:22

HC - strange drum you are banging there.

garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:23

you don't control your own contraception man or woman then you are open to having a child...it's that simple - YY, exactly! Conception is a well-known outcome of intercourse Wink

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 27/12/2011 00:24
Xmas Grin

this thread could turn out to be better than the ubiquitous Morecambe and Wise Xmas Special ...

garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:25

HC, your last post could only possibly make sense if a woman were solely responsible for getting pregnant. Perhaps nobody told you sperm are required.

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garlicnutcracker · 27/12/2011 00:25

Going well so far, innit, AF?

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Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:25

Don't worry I won't get pregnant ..because I said so...uh huh...

WorkingClassMum · 27/12/2011 00:26

And "a dick cover" ruins sex, and they don't fit well endowed men either.

Not like it'd be a problem for you then...

But your obviously shopping in the wrong places

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:26

MJinSparklyStockings

I don't see you coming up with a useful counter-argument.

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 00:27

HC did you actually just advance an arguement that men shouldn't wear condoms? You do know that not only are the wimmen out to steal your spermz, we can also give you nasty diseases, doncha? I'd sheathe that stonker if I were you. Just sayin'

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 27/12/2011 00:27

oh, garlic, it going just smashin'

you must be made-up

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:28

WorkingClassMum

Yawn!

(and learn to spell "you're").

MJinSparklyStockings · 27/12/2011 00:28

I dont see a need to counter argue a statement along the lines of "And "a dick cover" ruins sex, and they don't fit well endowed men either.", much better to let the ridiculous argue its own point.

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:28

lmao a dick cover ruins sex...how about a friggin baby...work through that shit...

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 00:29

Oh yeah, a baby really, really ruins sex too

Tortington · 27/12/2011 00:30

hatescensorship i feel its a shame that you do not have any control over when and who you reproduce with. you have no control

Mumcentreplus · 27/12/2011 00:30

first class wanker...I think you should posh wank just in case...

HatesCensorship · 27/12/2011 00:30

WilsonFrickett No, I didn't advance that argument (note the spelling).
I'm saying if a woman has sex without contraception (male or female), it was her choice to get pregnant. This is clearly difficult for some of you to grasp.

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