Facebook supports rape?

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Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

Oh, yeah!

The forensic blog one? Yes I did. Awful in what way? Because it is discussed so clinically? Believe it or not this is pretty close to how criminologists think.

The firsrt one. didnt bother with the second one.

I don't think anyone was doubting that criminal profiling exists. It began during the Victorian era in the UK at least. Someone began photographing convicted prisoners. A widely held belief at the time was that criminals shared facial characteristics. You know, "eyes too close together" type of thing or a swarthy complexion. Laughable now I'm sure you'll agree. However, your second link (I think) gives a high likelihood of sexual offenders being black. Based on the very large percentage of black convicted sex offenders in American prisons. Do you really think that these statistics are unproblematic?

Hmm, I am also not sure about this first link Rhubarb. Does not look very scientific to me. Where was this profiling done and by whom? No notes. "RACE: Mostly black (75-90% of rapists in prison are black); crime tends to be intra-racial". Can it be because of institutional rasism rather than the propensity of black men to rape white women?? It does not give any qualifications here though...

The second one is based on forensic criminal profiling. The first is American and I didn't like it as it didn't provide resources, which is why I gave the second link.

The point is to illustrate that criminal profiling is alive and well and rapists have a profile. You might disagree with that and you are entitled to do so, but it's something I do agree with and I think it's important that we continue to profile such criminals so that we can help prevent such crimes in the future.

That does not mean that victims should have sussed out their profile beforehand - that's a ridiculous thought. How often do we go around analysing our friends to see if we can pick out the serial rapist?

racism

It was the Budokan one posted at 11:33:04 I was referring to.

I think you should ignore the first one completely. As 'bollocks'.

Hairy, I think you mean the first link which is, as I said, unsupported by resources. The second is fully backed up.

And I am fully aware that not everyone agrees with criminal profiling. But that doesn't meant to say that those who do are somehow on the side of the criminal and think that victims are to blame.

But we all know criminal profiling exists. We also all know (dont we?) that its not a science.

I meant awful as in - a load of circular, unsubstantiated, pointelss twaddle.

Yep, ignore the first one, I missed the black thing.

Why did you post the first link?

JV, it is a science.
Criminology is a science. Criminal profiling is attached to criminology.
The wiki link I gave explains it in more detail.

JV, I was looking for psychology papers on criminal profiling, I posted that link before I read it properly. My apologies.

Report it and ask for it to be withdrawn.

In fact, withdraw both. Will save victims from mentally replaying their rapes, and trying to work out how their attacker fitted those descriptions and were they to blame for not realising it.

Please.

Well, its an 'ology, yes. but its based on evolving and conflicting theory.

No I will not withdraw the second link.
SGM I have already said that some people do not agree with criminal profiling and have agreed to disagree.
The link which stated about blacks is an American link - most criminals in prison are black. Fact. Having said that, obviously the connotation that most rapists are black is wrong.

FFS you cannot deny a science just because you don't like it. You cannot hide it in case it upsets. Victims of rape are not stupid, they are not over emotional little bunnies who need protecting - that is patronising.

You think I blame victims. I have said that I do not. You think criminal profiling is blaming victims. I have said that I do not believe it is. Therein lies our difference of opinion.

SGM, you'd be right.

There is a criminal profile for every type of criminal. It is pure sociology.

If you disagree then presumably you disagree with papers which tell women how to stay safe and protect themselves because this is shifting the focus onto them is it not? So there should be no protection advice or guidelines issued to women on how to protect themselves?

Will you find fault with the MET Police link? on domestic violence and profiling?

Exactly. If men can't trust themselves not to rape, then they should be issued the guidlines.

Have another

"By profiling the offenders, it is possible to learn lessons about dangerousness, lethality, prevention, protection and enforcement."

I don't think that victims of domestic abuse or of rape would read that and then go on to blame herself.

Profiling is a science, it is still used by the police force which speaks for its effectiveness. I will repeat myself and say that if you do not believe in this method, I respect that and I do not think of myself as wholly right. I have my beliefs and opinions which are subject to change if given overwhelming evidence that contradicts them. Just as you would not change your beliefs or opinions either.